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Old 03-11-2011, 09:01 PM   #51
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They wouldn't be losing the right to bargain or assemble -- they could unionize, name representatives, whatever -- but why can't a company choose not to negotiate with those representatives?

Should the Pats be forced to negotiate with player agents they believe are unethical?

I own a small business. If I were going to give an employee her semi-annual review and pay discussion, and she told me to meet with her lawyer / rep instead, should I have the right to choose to say yes or no, or should I be required to meet with anybody she chooses?
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:02 PM   #52
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You can't be serious.....

Spin your globe and look at the world's biggest perversion of capitalism on steroids with no voice for the worker, CHINA. Without workers having rights, ownership tends to follow the mantra of slavery. Nobody explained this to you?

The slope that slips when workers lose the right to bargain, or assemble is a lack of a voice in dealing with conditions, compensation, hours etc.

Its no secret this nation was built on slavery, in both the cotton and tobacco fields. It allowed wealthy landowners to exploit other humans and also allowed those same landowners, and even founding fathers to treat another human as 'less than'. In a world of mystified conservatives struggling to understand why a worker needs a voice, it can be boiled down to this: Without one, a worker becomes a SLAVE. There is a reason the civil war happened, there is a reason they wrote the 14th amendment. Humans should be treated like Humans.

One more reason, and this is probably the most important, and it deals with the essentials to what WAS known as "The American Dream". It used to be that if you worked hard, you could eventually work your family out of a lower class. In the conservative world dream of tax breaks for corporations, outsourcing labor to increase the bottom line, and demolition of workers rights, you will never be able to work hard enough to achieve the american dream. You will always be a slave.

America has become Facist, and you have the balls to sit there and wonder why? well, its because the voice of the average american has become silent.



If you are still confused ..... ask yourself this question why do corporations need LOBYISTS?


why dont they just shut up, and follow the rules?

I never had anyone explain that to mne
Is this a serious response? Wow. This country is so doomed.
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Is this a serious response? Wow. This country is so doomed.
I agree its doomed, but for a completely different reason than you suggest.
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They wouldn't be losing the right to bargain or assemble -- they could unionize, name representatives, whatever -- but why can't a company choose not to negotiate with those representatives?

Should the Pats be forced to negotiate with player agents they believe are unethical?

I own a small business. If I were going to give an employee her semi-annual review and pay discussion, and she told me to meet with her lawyer / rep instead, should I have the right to choose to say yes or no, or should I be required to meet with anybody she chooses?
You are confusing the right to bargain collectively with representation in a negotiation. Are you suggesting that teachers in Wisconsin lawyer up? hat could be even more costly to a state.

player reps in the NFL need to be certified by the league, so they aren't forced to do that. But after the decertification, I guess that even Charlie Sheen can represent a player.
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You are confusing the right to bargain collectively with representation in a negotiation. Are you suggesting that teachers in Wisconsin lawyer up? hat could be even more costly to a state.
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I'm not confusing the two, I'm comparing them.

and I'm not saying employees shouldn't have the ability to bargain collectively -- just that businesses shouldn't be forced to negotiate with them (collectively) if business owners so choose. Each party should be free to do as they choose.


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...player reps in the NFL need to be certified by the league, so they aren't forced to do that. But after the decertification, I guess that even Charlie Sheen can represent a player.
An agent can be certified but viewed as unethical. There are agents the Pats (allegedly?) won't deal with. What I'm asking is whether the Pats should be required to deal with them, or if they should be able simply not to have discussions with players represented by said agents.

Same thing with the example I gave from my company -- should I be required by law to meet / negotiate with anybody an employee designates in their place, or should I have the right to refuse to do so if I so choose?

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