patsfan13

Reagan was supporting the poeple in Poland opposing the communist. The unions in question support the communist/socialist in this country. R Trumka was involved with the Socialist Workers Party in the 70's. I had a good friend who was a SWP member whop worked for Trumka, after he went to work in Cuba as was the fashion back then.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

chicowalker

right -- and it depends on which #s you choose to look at whether Obama or Walker polls better

Real World

It's amazing how dumbed down this issue has become. Too many people really don't understand what the issue is here. This isn't a fight against all unions. This is a fight against government unions. There is a distinct difference between the two. The Local 22 makes its deals with private companies. What they bargain with their employer is their own business. A public employee union is paid with taxpayer money. That's the crux of the issue here. The cost, because of the requirement to have to use these unions, has spiralled out of control. The honeymoon is over. States and cities are broke. They can't afford to pay 100% of the health insurance anymore. They can't hand out fat pensions anymore. They can't pay $101k for each teacher they put on the job. The math doesn't just work. Not when people in the private sector don't have it as good. This isn't an attack on the middle class. This is a defense of taxpayers. I honestly can't believe how many people can't comprehend this.

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PatsFanInEaglesLand

Didn't you hear? It's a war against the whole middle class!

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mcgraw_wv

What's more interesting is our Country is a Public Union, which in itself is funded from the people with Tax Payer money.

Let's simply drop the entire idea of a State government so we can have far less expenses and not have the tax payers beholden by the Union that we call the United States of America.

chicowalker

I'm not a fan of collective bargaining being forced on private employers, but I don't think the government should force private employers to abide by something that they themselves won't do.

If a government chooses not to negotiate with a union, fine. But let companies decide for themselves who they will and will not negotiate with, too.

chicowalker

what, only the right is permitted to engage in alarmist hyperole and class warfare?

Real World

To date, I still haven't had anyone explain to me why a company, or any entity that has been unionized, isn't allowed to walk away from the relationship once a contract is done. The idea that Company A is forced to continue to use a union makes little sense to me. I think unions serve a purpose, and in my experiences think that there are industries that are better served by using and having organized labor. What I don't like, is that a company like Ford's inability to walk away once their hypthetical 5 year deal is up. What incentive is their for a union to give in, when they know the company that employs them can't look elsewhere for workers? Makes no sense to me at all. Unless of course, I don't understand the process right. Which I might not.

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Holy Diver

You can't be serious.....

Spin your globe and look at the world's biggest perversion of capitalism on steroids with no voice for the worker, CHINA. Without workers having rights, ownership tends to follow the mantra of slavery. Nobody explained this to you?

The slope that slips when workers lose the right to bargain, or assemble is a lack of a voice in dealing with conditions, compensation, hours etc.

Its no secret this nation was built on slavery, in both the cotton and tobacco fields. It allowed wealthy landowners to exploit other humans and also allowed those same landowners, and even founding fathers to treat another human as 'less than'. In a world of mystified conservatives struggling to understand why a worker needs a voice, it can be boiled down to this: Without one, a worker becomes a SLAVE. There is a reason the civil war happened, there is a reason they wrote the 14th amendment. Humans should be treated like Humans.

One more reason, and this is probably the most important, and it deals with the essentials to what WAS known as "The American Dream". It used to be that if you worked hard, you could eventually work your family out of a lower class. In the conservative world dream of tax breaks for corporations, outsourcing labor to increase the bottom line, and demolition of workers rights, you will never be able to work hard enough to achieve the american dream. You will always be a slave.

America has become Facist, and you have the balls to sit there and wonder why? well, its because the voice of the average american has become silent.



If you are still confused ..... ask yourself this question why do corporations need LOBYISTS?


why dont they just shut up, and follow the rules?

I never had anyone explain that to mne

chicowalker

They wouldn't be losing the right to bargain or assemble -- they could unionize, name representatives, whatever -- but why can't a company choose not to negotiate with those representatives?

Should the Pats be forced to negotiate with player agents they believe are unethical?

I own a small business. If I were going to give an employee her semi-annual review and pay discussion, and she told me to meet with her lawyer / rep instead, should I have the right to choose to say yes or no, or should I be required to meet with anybody she chooses?