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So it was a bunch of parasites that brought the 8 hour day and the 5 day work week to America's work places and pushed children out of work and into school?
Sure, you were making an honorable point and weren't trying to skate
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So it was a bunch of parasites that brought the 8 hour day and the 5 day work week to America's work places and pushed children out of work and into school?
Sure, you were making an honorable point and weren't trying to skate
Unions may have been relevant and useful a hundred years ago so were cotton gins, they had outlived their usefulness by the 50's IMO but they weren't the sole problem as pointed out. Certainly the loss of unions workers in the private sector is not the problem with wages as stated in the link in the OP.
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Its clear that the chart in post 1 struck a nerve with you.
A bit ... you can't just cherry pick data when discussing economics ... it's an encompassing topic. As in physics for every action there is a reaction. sometimes equal and sometimes not. Never in a predetermined direction either. Union jobs are down for a variety of reasons and the classes in America have changed due to a variety of reasons ... graphs like that prove nothing.
I'm not sure what your point is or if it's even accurate.
You are aware that there are 44 million people who've fallen below the poverty line here in the good old USA alone, aren't you? And that another 3.3 million of them are being held above that line by nothing other than extended unemployment benefits?
The number of people living poverty in the United States increased to 43.6 million in 2009 -- the largest number in 51 years, according to U.S. Census data.
At the same time, extended unemployment benefits lifted 3.3 million people out of poverty, compared with 900,000 in 2008
did you read the link ... i know the answer - you did not.
The link refers to developing countries - not like you to be incomplete.
I did read your link, Icy, and that's what has me confused. It was a statement which read, Since then, an estimated 44 million people in developing countries have fallen below the poverty line but it gave no link, no source, no nothing to back it up or explain it.
It was sort of apropos of nothing, actually and I don't quite know what it has to do with declining American wages or with the 44 million people right here in the USA who are below the poverty line.
As to my being incomplete - ***** happens. LOL Sometimes I miss things - other times I totally misunderstand them. Maybe that's what's happening here. I'm living on extra-strength tylenol and icy-hot and I've gone from a willowy 5'8" to a hunchbacked 4'2" with back spasms.
As my mother-in-law would say, "owie owie owie." Hard to think straight when one cannot stand up the same way.
As to my being incomplete - ***** happens. LOL Sometimes I miss things - other times I totally misunderstand them. Maybe that's what's happening here. I'm living on extra-strength tylenol and icy-hot and I've gone from a willowy 5'8" to a hunchbacked 4'2" with back spasms.
As my mother-in-law would say, "owie owie owie." Hard to think straight when one cannot stand up the same way.
When you start missing things we are all in trouble ...
2 extra strength Tylenol and 2 Ibuprofen every 4 - 6 hours ... better than a Vicodin without the head trip. You can't miss taking them though as it's the inflammation that causes the pain. Ibuprofen lessens the inflammation and the Tylenol nips what little pain remains ... try it.
Better yet Google it ... i learned it by experimenting and then Googled it and saw it was good.
Not for all the time though ... must take care of the liver.
2 extra strength Tylenol and 2 Ibuprofen every 4 - 6 hours ... better than a Vicodin without the head trip. You can't miss taking them though as it's the inflammation that causes the pain. Ibuprofen lessens the inflammation and the Tylenol nips what little pain remains ... try it.
Yanno, I forgot all about that!!! We used to do that in the hospital for kids with high fevers. They're made of up different things so it's ok to do once in a while because you can't overdose - you're still only taking 1000mg of each thing and they don't interact with one another.
You're right about the liver thing - but for the short term usage there's not much danger.
Your correlation is correct, too. But the fact is that the wealth in the US has increased, so there's obviously enough money in the economy for a strong union movement to demand increased compensation for those in lower income jobs.
I'm not arguing that unions can't demand. I'm arguing about the power/utility of unions in our current environment. More money in the American economy doesn't mean that it has to, or will trickle down to the middle class.
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Perhaps you did not notice that the chart purports to show the middle class share of income, which probably does not include minimum wage earners.
Low minimum wage puts downward pressure on all wages.
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Did you know that unions protect jobs and compensation in the exact situation you're talking about? You are citing a specific reason why we need unions--to prevent a downward wage spiral due to unemployment.
You seem to be guessing at my opinions of unions, when I clearly stated it in my first post. Please feel free to revisit. It's only one line.
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What in the world does that have to do with unions. Unions press for higher compensation against the forces you describe? Do you know what unions do? You seem confused.
The thread purported to tell us why wages are lower. I dismissed the declining union membership as a symptom of a wider problem, and posed a more realistic reason for wage decline. Do keep up.
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What does that have to do with the fact that effective unions increase compensation for the middle class? Specialists have always done well, with or without unions.
See previous.
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Again, strong unions prevent wages from dropping and make it much more difficult for firms to ship jobs overseas.
How?
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Strong unions can fight globalization, thus negating your whole point.
How?
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Yanno, I forgot all about that!!! We used to do that in the hospital for kids with high fevers. They're made of up different things so it's ok to do once in a while because you can't overdose - you're still only taking 1000mg of each thing and they don't interact with one another.
You're right about the liver thing - but for the short term usage there's not much danger.
Thanks!!
My kids used to get the acetaminophen suppositories as they lasted like 6 hours ...
My kids used to get the acetaminophen suppositories as they lasted like 6 hours ...
Yeah but they're a pain in the butt :P
In the earlier exchange, just from context, I think what you (Mrs.P) might be missing is that in a given span of time 44 million people in developing countries fell into poverty. The grand total for the U.S. accumulated year by year until now since forever, is about the same number.
I don't know the linkage being made, but if it seemed like the number was low for all developing countries, it's because that's just the number that has fallen into poverty "since then," whenever "then" was.
Re: Charting the Decline of American Wages
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