Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

We can agree on stuff..... That's nice to know

Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Originally Posted by Gainzo
I'm getting fed up with people bringing up President's from yesteryear to try and make a point.



Then why did you bring up FDR?

Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Because they have been told, repeatedly, that there is no room for negotiations. The Republicans have tried to push through the bill with little public debate or scrutiny, they are refusing to allow debate on the floor regarding any part of the bill and the governor, while finding an abundance time to talk to a faux Koch, has not found time to talk to them in spite of repeated efforts to speak to him on the part of the democratic senators.

Perhaps you can tell me why the Republican co-chair of the Joint Finance Committee prevented a "citizen filibuster" and limited the amount of time that residents had to speak, prompting protests from the people who were shut out of hearing without being heard? Or why Republican Assembly members refused to stay around and listen to their testimony? In an interview with The Huffington Post on Saturday, Democratic Rep. Brett Hulsey said that members of his caucus continued to listen to hundreds of hours of testimony after the Republicans walked out.

Why was this Republican sponsored, 140 page bill presented on a Monday with the intention of holding a public hearing on Tuesday (which the Republicans didn't stick around for) and being taken up in the Senate on Thursday, and voted on immediately without explanation or debate?

Perhaps you can tell me why, if this is only "about the budget," that Walker is refusing to take the concessions already given (Democratic Senators have already agreed to pass the bit about the raise in the amount of insurance and pension co-pay) and allow the remaining bit about collective bargaining rights to be, at the very least, discussed?

Like I said earlier, it may not change the final vote due but it does give everyone due process and the chance to be heard.

Which was, last I heard, one of the cornerstones of democracy.

Just because the outcome is fixed already it doesn't mean the other team shouldn't get a chance to suit up and play as if they had a chance.

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

Why, why, why do you ALWAYS, always, always try to "Catch people" MrsP?

WTF is it with you?

I can bring up what FDR said and also agree with Gainzo. He made a good point that it's really irelevant to solving today's problems and he's right. But the reasons why FDR was against unions in the public sector are still relevant today.

Stop trying to catch people and just exchange views. You're not going to "Catch" anyone anyway.

Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa

The point is, PR, that I'm pretty sure Gainzo was talking about you when he said he was getting fed up with people....you're the only one who's brought up a previous president on this thread.

Forgive me for finding it funny that you would agree with someone who just said that he was fed up with people who bring up past presidents when you were the only one who'd brought up a past president.

It's like saying you're fed up with yourself.