Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Ah, yes, FDR.

I wonder if Walker, and you by extension, also agree with him on sharing the national wealth, as well?

Or do you get to pick and choose?

From FDR's acceptance speech 1932

Patriot_in_NY

Ummmmm, How were they not allowed to vote? They debated for 61 hours, then called for a vote....... It's pretty simple.

Not paying attention to what's going on around you is not same as "not being allowed to".

PatriotsReign

One doesn't need to agree with everything FDR believed in in order to agree with one thing he believed in.

FDR came into office in the midst of the worst depression in history and he needed to give the masses hope. I'm sure he also believed in what he said. So to summarize, FDR believed that income should be distributed more evenly and that public unions were not a vehicle he wanted to achieve that goal.

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The Brandon Five

Right, because public unions lead to the distribution of wealth from everyone (the taxpayers) rather than from just the wealth.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Here's how it went down. A shade after 1 a.m. on Friday morning, the Assembly speaker pro tempore suddenly cut off the debate and demanded a vote. Then the voting window was opened for just a few seconds, long enough for a GOP majority to cast its votes and approve the bill. The moment the vote ended, the Republicans picked up and headed for the door. The move stunned the Democrats in the Assembly, leaving them livid. Some Democrats yelled "Shame!" and "Cowards!" at their Republican counterparts; others hurled papers into the air; one even threw a drink.

The whole thing caught Assembly Democrats by surprise. For one, they still had 15 speakers on deck to debate the bill. Republicans also failed to invoke the traditional motion and roll call used when signaling that the debate is over and it's time to vote.

Wisconsin Assembly Rams Through Walker's Budget Bill | Mother Jones

And not following normal and accepted procedure is not the same thing as conducting business as usual.

patsfan13

The majority voted for the bill if the other guys were out smoking a joint that is their problem.

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Gainzo

I'm getting fed up with people bringing up President's from yesteryear to try and make a point. It's 2011 people, not the '50's when the USA was a manufacturing power, or the '80's when we were still dealing with the Cold War.

It's not even the '90's when Clinton rode the dot.com boom. It is 2011 and serious decisions need to be made.

patsfan13

Serious decisions are being made at last (hopefully not too late) however people vested in the status quo will fight tooth and nail against change....the reactionaries are strong in their opposition to essential reforms.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

So - do I get another infraction if I ask you politely if you know just how stupid this sounds?

The point is, 13, no one was "out smoking a joint," and you know it. It doesn't sound funny to say they were, it doesn't sound intelligent, and it doesn't sound adult to even suggest that's what was going on.

The facts are - and they've been pointed out numerous times by numerous sources - 15 people were still on the agenda to speak when the speaker suddenly cut off the debate and called for a vote - and called for it, not by following standard procedure which is followed every other time, but by simply demanding a vote. At which point he opened the voting for mere seconds (also not standard procedure) and then, the minute enough votes were cast to pass the bill, shut the system down.

I'll run it by you again since it is important to all concerned, Democrats and Republicans and Independents alike, people have a RIGHT to cast their vote. They have a right to expect a decent amount of time in which to do so. It is important to their constitutants and detractors alike to know where they stand (or stood) on any given issue.

Unless, of course, you disagree. I tend to think you do not since you are one of the ones who used to whine diligently about all those "absent" or "present" votes that you claim Obama cast while in the Senate.

Or maybe it's ok with you to cut off the voting once a majority is reached.

In that case, you will have no problem with them shutting the polls in the next presidential election as soon as it's a given from the early counts that Obama has won again since it won't matter how anyone else votes anyhow.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Like health care?