patsfan13

Yes I know about business to business commerce. I was just illustrating a principal. So to extend this to the bus to business case the cost is bundled into the cost for the product service provided, however at some point the business buying the product service provides a product/service to a consumer, then the 'tax' is paid. This happens all along the supply chain.
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If the taxes become too much the business fails or moves to a better business climate.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Gainzo

So who pays taxes? Just us private citizens? Who pays for interstate highway improvements?

If you were setting policy this Country would be worse than India.

Wolfpack

Good for them! I hope they continue to succeed in their efforts to rid us of all the union thugs dominating so much of the private and public sector.

The Brandon Five

43k is a lot of money? How much did the public unions give to his opponent?

Holy Diver

46k is the average teacher's salary in Wisconsin

patsfan13

Pretty much.


That's where were heading with the current policies. Thanks for playing.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

The Brandon Five

Somehow they managed to give more than the Siths at Koch.

Public Sector Unions gave $90,540 to Tom Barrett.

BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

Koch Industries gave $43,000 to Scott Walker.

WALKER, SCOTT | Follow The Money

chicowalker

I agree that corporate taxes should be greatly reduced, though not eliminated. All passthroughs need to be captured (meaning, for example, that distributions to foreign entities or entities that are tax-exempt still need to be taxed), and some tax should remain to pay for the necessary regulatory bodies (regulations should be decreased as well, but that's a different, albeit related, issue).

All that said, some of the stuff posted in this thread has been nonsense. First, loved 13 complaining about the left going after the Koch brothers -- I think the term you were looking for was Soros, not Alinsky, given how your beloved righties have gone after Soros. The blind partisan hypocrisy put forth somehow continues to amaze me.

Also, the economic analysis behind the notion that companies simply raise their prices to cover their tax burden was truly rigorous. You're apparently not familiar with the concept of price elasticity in economics. But since you would probably dismiss that as elitist mumbo jumbo, let's instead resort to common sense -- since companies can so easily pass along the costs of taxes, why don't they just raise their prices even more and reap greater profits -- or put another way, since the company in your example raised their price to 4 widgets, or units, or however you put it, why would they decrease their prices again when those taxes are removed? After all, they could then keep that amount as profit instead of paying the government, since their customers apparently are still buying their products / services regardless of the price charged.

Finally, no, lobbying wouldn't go away in the absence of corporate taxes. There's still regulation and corporate welfare to pay lobbyists to grab more of. But even if we reduce all three -- something I'm in favor of -- I think you've got the tail wagging the dog here. Companies aren't to blame for hiring lobbyists -- pols (of both parties) are to blame for being bought off. Let's not lose sight of that.

patsfan13

No complaints cheeky merely observing that the left is going to the playbook in rules for radicals. See the attack on the gov in WI is backfiring big time the unions are losing in the court of public opinion.


So what to do, well go to Alinsky's rules #12 IIRC: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it

So the target to personalize in this case is the Koch bros. make them the bad guys change to conversation. I don't care it is a pathetic attempt, no one knows who the Koch brothers are even, and they have nothing to do with this situation.


As to the economics questions I presented a SIMPLE example. My intention was not to write a textbook. I will be happy to provide links to CATO or VonMises Institute where they go into great detail on the effects of taxes on business and who it affects their behavior.

Thanks for playing.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

chicowalker

Yes, the same playbook you cheer the right for using.

no surprises there, though. Blind partisanship. Well done.


You certainly did.

I didn't have a problem with your example, though. The problem was your conclusion.


I think we can all agree there's no chance of that occurring. But it's telling that you seemingly think that the next step beyond an overly simplistic argument must be a "textbook."


I'll guarantee their studies don't say what you say.

Only question I have is whether you misunderstand what they say or if you understand it and intentionally try to deceive (for what reasons, I have no idea).


LOL