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Old 02-22-2011, 08:49 PM   #1
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Things that make you go hmmmmm

Doesn't quite jibe with what some of you have been saying over on the other thread, does it?


Wisconsin Results:

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has become an instant conservative darling and national figure with his standoff against his state’s public worker unions. But a new poll suggests his no-compromise, union-busting approach is not playing well in the historically progressive state.

The new poll shows that stance is wildly unpopular: Independent voters think state workers should be able to keep their collective bargaining rights if they agree to the cuts Walker wants, by a margin of 76-19; even Republicans are closely split, with 49 percent thinking the workers should keep their rights and 47 percent agreeing with Walker’s hard line (that’s within the poll’s +/-4 percent margin of error). Democrats--no surprise--side the workers keeping their rights by a 94-1 margin.


Poll: Voters Oppose Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in Union Standoff - Robert Schlesinger (usnews.com)


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Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

Poll: Americans oppose weaker unions - USATODAY.com
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:11 PM   #2
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Well if these pollsters are right and Zogby and Rasmussen are wrong Walker will lose the election however he ran promising to do what he is doing and the dems run away rather than debate the issue.


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Two-thirds of likely voters agree that state legislatures have the authority to cut state employee salaries and 52% agree they can void collective bargaining agreements to reduce spending.

Voiding collective bargaining agreements is also seen as preferable to continuing to pay state employees at current levels or layoffs of state workers in order to reduce spending and control deficits.

These results come from a Zogby Interactive poll conducted from Feb. 18-21, 2011.
48% Back GOP Governor in Wisconsin Spat, 38% Side With Unions - Rasmussen Reports


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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor in his dispute with union workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided. (To see survey question wording,


Obama is backing away from speaking about the WI stunt by dems that tells me what his polls are saying.

BTW where is the outrage on the left about the twitter death threats being directed at Walker, matter of fact where is the reporting on the threats?
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...however he ran promising to do what he is doing ...
getting rid of collective bargaining rihts was part of his platform? (I actually am OK with that -- but I'm skeptical that he ran on it.)
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getting rid of collective bargaining rihts was part of his platform? (I actually am OK with that -- but I'm skeptical that he ran on it.)

Yes he made taking on the union part of his campaign. Apparently there is a bill to make Wi a right to work state, the rules are such that since it isn't a spending billl they don't need the dems to show up and do the job they are being paid to do. I think they should move forward and pass the right to work bill ASAP.
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Yes he made taking on the union part of his campaign. Apparently there is a bill to make Wi a right to work state, the rules are such that since it isn't a spending billl they don't need the dems to show up and do the job they are being paid to do. I think they should move forward and pass the right to work bill ASAP.
That's a different issue. Collective bargaining rights aren't the same as right to work.

I'm skeptical that he included promises to get rid of collective bargaining rights as part of his platform.
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That's a different issue. Collective bargaining rights aren't the same as right to work.

I'm skeptical that he included promises to get rid of collective bargaining rights as part of his platform.
In fact he did, I found this site that lists changes to collective bargaining as promises:

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/.../walk-o-meter/

and this from his campaign website:

http://www.scottwalker.org/sites/def...20Packet_0.pdf

"The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts. And we can save more than $68 million per year by allowing school districts to enroll in the state health care plan."
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In fact he did, I found this site that lists changes to collective bargaining as promises:

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Walk-O-Meter: Tracking the promises of Scott Walker
Huh. Maybe it's just too early, but I couldn't find that here.

Interestingly enough, I did find a promise to repeal the smoking ban in businesses.

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and this from his campaign website:

http://www.scottwalker.org/sites/def...20Packet_0.pdf

"The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts. And we can save more than $68 million per year by allowing school districts to enroll in the state health care plan."

Um, "Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed" does not necessarily translate into "screw your contract, I'm removing all collective bargaining right now."
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In fact he did, I found this site that lists changes to collective bargaining as promises:

PolitiFact Wisconsin | Walk-O-Meter: Tracking the promises of Scott Walker

and this from his campaign website:

http://www.scottwalker.org/sites/def...20Packet_0.pdf

"The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts. And we can save more than $68 million per year by allowing school districts to enroll in the state health care plan."
I don't see that in either one. (What you quoted isn't a promise to eliminate collective bargaining rights.)
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Yes he made taking on the union part of his campaign. Apparently there is a bill to make Wi a right to work state, the rules are such that since it isn't a spending billl they don't need the dems to show up and do the job they are being paid to do. I think they should move forward and pass the right to work bill ASAP.
The Truth is this little Punk Never said he was going after collective bargaining during his campaign, Ever. If he did he wouldn't have been elected, what he did is a bait and switch.
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The right seems to be deluded into thinking that this is about unions, it is none of this.. it is a thinly veiled effort to try to destroy long time supporters of the Democratic Party.. behind the scenes the Koch's and big business are fueling this fire big time..

Walker has already fired all of the security in the State House and contracted with Wackenhut, yes the same Wackenhut that had sex parties in the embassy in Afghanistan.. just imagine if any of the targets of the right had sex parties in an embassy, there would be a huge assault on that organization to defund them and run them into the ground.

WI Gov. Scott Walker's budget fix bill also grants him the ability to sell off the state's power plants with no bids. The Kochs are probably hoping that Wisconsin legislators may pass the rest of the bill in hopes of saving collective bargaining. Guess what the Koch's already have an ad to hire staff for their takeover..

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