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chicowalker · 02-23-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

I see what the problem is here. You think that I am arguing about the legality of such actions. My point is that the end result is the same if you do it out of sensitivity or fear so while we do not have Sharia law you still won't see a cartoon of Mohammed. How far do we take that kind of thing?

I thought you were claiming both, actually.

I disagree that the end result is the same, unless you're talking about fear of one's own government -- because when it's illegal not only does the act not happen, but you wind up in jail for doing what you have the right to do.

If it's out of sensitivity, not only is it very different from being illegal, but it's actually a good thing, isn't it? Isn't sensitivity part of what makes us decent people? I'd far prefer people refrain from certain acts due to sensitivity rather than the government banning the act.

If it's out of fear of others' actions, those third-party actions need to be prosecuted -- but that's still very different from the government making something illegal.

The Brandon Five · 02-23-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

I thought you were claiming both, actually.

I disagree that the end result is the same, unless you're talking about fear of one's own government -- because when it's illegal not only does the act not happen, but you wind up in jail for doing what you have the right to do.

If it's out of sensitivity, not only is it very different from being illegal, but it's actually a good thing, isn't it? Isn't sensitivity part of what makes us decent people? I'd far prefer people refrain from certain acts due to sensitivity rather than the government banning the act.

If it's out of fear of others' actions, those third-party actions need to be prosecuted -- but that's still very different from the government making something illegal.

The fear that was involved with the Mohammed cartoon thing was fear of violence, not government action:

‘South Park’ Episode Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning

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Cognizant that Islam forbids the depiction of its holiest prophet, Mr. Stone and Mr. Parker showed their “South Park” characters agonizing over how to bring Muhammad to their fictional Colorado town. At first the character said to be Muhammad is confined to a U-Haul trailer, and is heard speaking but is not shown. Later in the episode the character is let out of the trailer, dressed in a bear costume.

The next day the “South Park” episode was criticized by the group Revolution Muslim in a post at its Web site, revolutionmuslim.com. The post, written by a member named Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee, said the episode “outright insulted” the prophet, adding: “We have to warn Matt and Trey that what they are doing is stupid, and they will probably wind up like Theo van Gogh for airing this show. This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them.”

Awfully nice of them to "warn" them rather than issue a threat.

It is important to be nice, but there are no sacred cows in Western culture. We believe in equal opportunity ridicule (or at least we used to). You have to think how that reaction is perceived by Islamic supremacists.

***Harry Boy*** · 02-23-2011, 08:27 AM

I'd like to see Jon Stewart, Rosie O'Donnell, The View etc etc or any other Liberal moonbat trash and ridicule Mohammad or Islam the way they do Jesus and Christianity.

TRY PUTTING A STATUE OF ALLAH OR MOHAMMAD IN A JAR OF P!SS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

***reflexblue*** · 02-23-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

I'd like to see Jon Stewart, Rosie O'Donnell, The View etc etc or any other Liberal moonbat trash and ridicule Mohammad or Islam the way they do Jesus and Christianity.

TRY PUTTING A STATUE OF ALLAH OR MOHAMMAD IN A JAR OF P!SS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

Praise be to Allah.....And Allah Bless the United States.

chicowalker · 02-23-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

The fear that was involved with the Mohammed cartoon thing was fear of violence, not government action:

‘South Park’ Episode Altered After Muslim Group’s Warning

Awfully nice of them to "warn" them rather than issue a threat.

It is important to be nice, but there are no sacred cows in Western culture. We believe in equal opportunity ridicule (or at least we used to). You have to think how that reaction is perceived by Islamic supremacists.

Right, that's what I thought, and as I've stated, there's no place for that here --but it's notthe government and it's not sharia, just like 9/11 wasn't sharia and people killing abortion doctors isn't sharia.

chicowalker · 02-23-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

I'd like to see Jon Stewart, Rosie O'Donnell, The View etc etc or any other Liberal moonbat trash and ridicule Mohammad or Islam the way they do Jesus and Christianity.

TRY PUTTING A STATUE OF ALLAH OR MOHAMMAD IN A JAR OF P!SS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

Unlike you, I don't watch Rosie O'Donnell or The View.

But when does Jon Stewart "trash and ridicule" Jesus and Chrisitianity?

I guess Drudge must have told you this...

The Brandon Five · 02-23-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

Right, that's what I thought, and as I've stated, there's no place for that here --but it's notthe government and it's not sharia, just like 9/11 wasn't sharia and people killing abortion doctors isn't sharia.

If there's no place for it here how is it happening?

What I am saying (again) is that if the end result of being sensitive (to one group only) or kowtowing in the face of threats is the same as living under Sharia, does it matter? We need to stand together against this kind of thing ("I am Spartacus") not appease it.

wistahpatsfan · 02-23-2011, 10:05 AM

These guys are desperate to get 20 years in an Americn prison. Talk about an upgrade! Hell killing them would be an upgrade to ttheir life in Somalia.

Another thing...when I retire and have the money to spend a few years sailing to exotic places like say...the East African coast and the Arabian Penninsula...would one of you guys kindly take a shotgun and blow my brains out?

The Brandon Five · 02-23-2011, 10:07 AM

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Another thing...when I retire and have the money to spend a few years sailing to exotic places like say...the East African coast and the Arabian Penninsula...would one of you guys kindly take a shotgun and blow my brains out?

That comes standard with any "Gulf of Aden" or "Gulf of Oman" cruise.

chicowalker · 02-23-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

If there's no place for it here how is it happening? ...

There's no place for a lot of things that happen -- murder, rape, child molestation, etc. It's an imperfect world, with a lot of as*holes in it.

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

...What I am saying (again) is that if the end result of being sensitive (to one group only) or kowtowing in the face of threats is the same as living under Sharia, does it matter? We need to stand together against this kind of thing ("I am Spartacus") not appease it.

And what I'm saying (again) is that they aren't the same. I'm also saying (again) there is a difference b/t being sensitive (no, not to one group only) and succumbing to threats.

What I said previously: "I disagree that the end result is the same, unless you're talking about fear of one's own government -- because when it's illegal not only does the act not happen, but you wind up in jail for doing what you have the right to do.

If it's out of sensitivity, not only is it very different from being illegal, but it's actually a good thing, isn't it? Isn't sensitivity part of what makes us decent people? I'd far prefer people refrain from certain acts due to sensitivity rather than the government banning the act.

If it's out of fear of others' actions, those third-party actions need to be prosecuted -- but that's still very different from the government making something illegal."

Not sure what you're taking issue with from those comments.

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

...We need to stand together against this kind of thing ("I am Spartacus") not appease it.

Which kind of thing -- sensitivity or threats? If threats, as stated at least once already, I agree we need to oppose it, and disagree that we have appeased it.