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You sure made it sound like what he does is easy. You've given him ZERO credit. As we all know, billionaires grow on trees. Most below average, to average businessmen become billionaires on their own just like Trump. Just borrow large sums of money, and make larger sums of money. It's so easy a caveman can do it.
Maybe the problem is that I actually do read what you write unlike most people. You're opinion is that he can't run a government at any level. Save the spinning for the gym....
You're claiming I've said things that not only did I not write, but in a couple cases I actually stated exactly the opposite.
But you think I'm doing the "spinning"...
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...Who is he and what's his resume?
does it matter? successful producer -- has made tens of millions of dollars making movies, some of which were blockbusters, others big losers, but net has been that he's made a ton of money and is regarded as a top guy in the film industry
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I forgot to comment about this line. I can't help but come to the conclusion that you personally dislike Trump. The idea that The Donald somehow doesn't run a day-to-day business, or "ever has" run much of anything is flat out nuts.
Keep concluding things that are directly opposite to what I've stated.
If he does or has run an operating business, just tell me which one(s).
Most below average, to average businessmen become billionaires on their own just like Trump. Just borrow large sums of money, and make larger sums of money. It's so easy a caveman can do it.
Not quite accurate, RW. Trump did not "make it on his own" as you state.
His father was a very wealthy real estate developer and Donald started out in his father's company, "The Trump Organization."
You're claiming I've said things that not only did I not write, but in a couple cases I actually stated exactly the opposite.
But you think I'm doing the "spinning"...
does it matter? successful producer -- has made tens of millions of dollars making movies, some of which were blockbusters, others big losers, but net has been that he's made a ton of money and is regarded as a top guy in the film industry
I'll consider anyone with intelligence (not just academic intelligence), respect for the ideals and principles of our republic and the ability to think differently. Sprinkle in a realistic amount of integrity and I'd have to seriously consider them, regardless of party.
Oh, almost forgot. They need to have serious guts.
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You're claiming I've said things that not only did I not write, but in a couple cases I actually stated exactly the opposite.
But you think I'm doing the "spinning"...
does it matter? successful producer -- has made tens of millions of dollars making movies, some of which were blockbusters, others big losers, but net has been that he's made a ton of money and is regarded as a top guy in the film industry
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Keep concluding things that are directly opposite to what I've stated.
If he does or has run an operating business, just tell me which one(s).
Wow dude, you're so drooling on this one. I'll just post what his first project was. One that he started while still in college.
Via his Wiki page
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Career Early success (1968–1989)
Trump began his career at his father's company,[11] the Trump Organization, and initially concentrated on his father's preferred field of middle-class rental housing in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. One of Donald's first projects, while he was still in college, was the revitalization of the foreclosed Swifton Village apartment complex in Cincinnati, Ohio, turning a 1200-unit complex with a 66 % vacancy rate to 100 % occupancy within a year. When the Trump Organization sold Swifton Village for $12 million, they cleared $6 million in profit.[citation needed]
Either you're grossly ignorant of what's involved in undertaking real estate development projects, or you personally dislike Trump. Then again, maybe it's a little bit of both.
As for the hypothetical producer, yes it does matter.
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Either you're grossly ignorant of what's involved in undertaking real estate development projects, or you personally dislike Trump. Then again, maybe it's a little bit of both.
As for the hypothetical producer, yes it does matter.
Personally like Trump, but no one answers how do his pro choice views fit.. along with this two divorces and subsequent three marriages.
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Not quite accurate, RW. Trump did not "make it on his own" as you state.
His father was a very wealthy real estate developer and Donald started out in his father's company, "The Trump Organization."
He became a billionaire on his own. He took what his father had established, which was a business in the millions (no doubt a totally fortunate place to start), and turned himself into a multi-billionaire. That's by no means an easy thing to do. Lots of people work in a family businesses that operate inside the million dollar level. Be it a construction company, real estate company, widget manufacturer, food service industry, car dealership, etc. Maintaining that level of business is difficult enough for those who take over, but taking such an operation into the billions requires a genuine risk taking, forward looking, intelligent business oriented mind. Anyone who thinks that operating a million dollar business is easy is misinformed. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take much to go from the tens of millions, to the billions, is arguably out of their mind.
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Most below average, to average businessmen become billionaires on their own just like Trump.
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Personally like Trump, but no one answers how do his pro choice views fit.. along with this two divorces and subsequent three marriages.
Apparently he is serious about trying to get the nomination because he has flopped on the former.
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If CPAC is a primary for self-confidence, Donald Trump won hands down.
The real-estate mogul with a genius for self-promotion gave the most-acclaimed — and most colorful — speech at the conservative gathering this afternoon, from the moment he took the stage to the song "Money, Money, Money."
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With no visible sense of irony, he slammed libertarian Ron Paul as a losing hopeful who can't capture the brass ring and got booed by some for it, said our current president came 'out of nowhere," and quoted a business magazine's story about what a terrific entrepreneur he himself is.
Yet he was by far the best-received speaker and the audience lapped up his act, as he read some of a prepared speech and used his hands to punctuate his words. He also hit on social issues "briefly," as he said, saying he's pro-life and anti-gun control. He said he'd dismantle Obama's health care law.
Personally like Trump, but no one answers how do his pro choice views fit.. along with this two divorces and subsequent three marriages.
I don't know much about his views on a lot of issues, but generally speaking if he's pro-choice then some will not like him for sure. I'd venture to guess that in the northeast, southeast, and western parts of the country that won't be as big a deal. In the midwest and southern states it will be. Ultimately it will come down to what issues are driving the campaign at the time. If the economy, and related financial issues still the top priorty by a long shot, then his social history, or positions, may not matter as much.
Personally I don't vote on pro-life or pro-choice. Never have and never will. I have a personal position on the issue, but I don't look at it as a political point of relevance for a candidate.
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Another day, another Donald Trump-related financial crisis.
After years of financial problems, Trump Entertainment Resorts (NASDAQ: TRMP) has filed for bankruptcy for the third time in its history. The company's last bankruptcy came in November of 2004.
The company reported assets of less than $50 million and debts of less than $500 million. Nine affiliates of the company also filed for bankruptcy, including Trump Plaza Associates, Trump Marina Associates and Trump Taj Mahal Associate. Including all affiliates, the company said it had consolidated assets of $2.1 billion and debt of $1.7 billion as of December 31st of 2008.
A 7.8% decline in Atlantic City gambling revenues sent the company into crisis mode, but the large debt load and competition from more modern hotel-casinos hurt its competitive position too.
True to form, Trump extricated himself from the company a few days before the bankruptcy filing and, in spite of all the cash he collected at shareholders' expense, doesn't seem to accept any responsibility. Instead he has publicly blamed the company's creditors.
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