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Old 02-09-2011, 10:17 AM   #1
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WikiLeaks cables: Saudi Arabia cannot pump enough oil to keep a lid on prices | Business | The Guardian

Time to buy that hybrid. Can't we get some diesel cars in the U.S.? They were everywhere in the UK: BMWs, Audis...you name it.

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Old 02-09-2011, 10:29 AM   #2
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Time to buy that hybrid. Can't we get some diesel cars in the U.S.? They were everywhere in the UK: BMWs, Audis...you name it.
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don't you know that Earth's core is made of crude oil and actually produces more oil that we as a race can consume?

back to reality:

How ANYONE can think there is some unlimited supply of a 'fossil fuel'? Unless we get some kind of a Manhattan Project rolling on an energy supply/source....we are screwed.

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There's also a limited supply of uranium. Time to revisit Thorium, maybe? Hope for a supervirus to wipe out 1/3 of the earth?

Seriously though, Bahrain has pretty much run out of oil, and other states won't be far behind. Unfortunately, this song and dance has been playing for a very long time, and a whole lot of inaction has followed.

Yep, the energy crisis is a comin', but outside of nuclear power (with its uranium issues), there aren't a lot of viable options that can continue to provide us with the same energy yield we get today. Big problems or big adjustments; it's a matter of time. It will be interesting to see where this goes...
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There's also a limited supply of uranium. Time to revisit Thorium, maybe? Hope for a supervirus to wipe out 1/3 of the earth?

Seriously though, Bahrain has pretty much run out of oil, and other states won't be far behind. Unfortunately, this song and dance has been playing for a very long time, and a whole lot of inaction has followed.

Yep, the energy crisis is a comin', but outside of nuclear power (with its uranium issues), there aren't a lot of viable options that can continue to provide us with the same energy yield we get today. Big problems or big adjustments; it's a matter of time. It will be interesting to see where this goes...
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Thanks for posting that. I was not aware of Helium-3. Like other proposed elements, it has upsides and drawbacks, but doesn't appear any less viable than Uranium and Thorium; at least after a cursory review on wikipedia (heh).

I actually think part of the problem is that everyone is looking for a smoking gun to fix this problem and essentially replace fossil fuels wholesale as an energy source; cold fusion, this element, that element, etc. People are waiting until this miracle solution comes about before serious effort is devoted to alternative energy instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel for fossil fuels. Is it realistic to keep doing trial and error? I'm not convinced, but we need to find an acceptable network of alternatives, rather than one silver bullet.

Unfortunately, I was a C chemistry student, so I'm not going to be much use in a practical discussion of where we go from here from a scientific and engineering standpoint, but strategically speaking, it seems we've got the ol' paralysis by analysis. It's up to the decision makers and people movers to help those who know what the hell they're doing get moving in a meaningful way; which brings us full-circle to your Manhattan Project statement.
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... Unfortunately, this song and dance has been playing for a very long time, and a whole lot of inaction has followed.

Yep, the energy crisis is a comin', but outside of nuclear power (with its uranium issues), there aren't a lot of viable options that can continue to provide us with the same energy yield we get today. Big problems or big adjustments; it's a matter of time. It will be interesting to see where this goes...
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We haven't been asked by our "leaders" to do a damn thing about it. We don't conserve. The slightest whisper of raising CAFE standards is met with some "Nanny State" hysterics from Big Oil employees Michael Graham and Rush Limbaugh. We have no energy policy. We have no unified effort to accellerate the research process for energy alternatives. We will be the last developed nation on the planet still using fossil fuels at the end of this century, and China will be rigged with new sources and regulated consumption. We're going to find ourselves behind everyone else if we don't wake up.
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And why do you suppose the Saudis have inflated their capacity to this point? Could it be that they want everyone to believe they have more than they really do? Maybe they can leverage that perception into political protection, weapons and "mutual" defense arrangements. How else will the Royal Family retain control in this recent climate? Without the world thinking they can supply part of its energy supply, the KofSA is just a sand pit populated by nomads.

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We haven't been asked by our "leaders" to do a damn thing about it. We don't conserve. The slightest whisper of raising CAFE standards is met with some "Nanny State" hysterics from Big Oil employees Michael Graham and Rush Limbaugh. We have no energy policy. We have no unified effort to accellerate the research process for energy alternatives. We will be the last developed nation on the planet still using fossil fuels at the end of this century, and China will be rigged with new sources and regulated consumption. We're going to find ourselves behind everyone else if we don't wake up.
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