Has Beck Gone Too Far? - New England Patriots Forums

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-08-2011, 01:10 PM

In the past two weeks, Beck has viewed events in Egypt through his own rather warped filter. He claims that the rebellion is not about the people, not about democracy. Instead, he says, it's a move by radical Islamists to take over Egypt, as part of a larger plan to install a caliphate that stretches from the Middle East through Europe and toward the United States. And he contends that "uber-leftists" and Islamic extremists are "plotting together" toward this end. Last week on his radio show, he declared, "Groups from the hard-core socialist and communist left and extreme Islam will work together because they are both a common enemy of Israel and the Jew. . . . Islam wants a caliphate. Communists want a communist new world order. They'll work together, and they'll destabilize. Because they both want chaos."

It gets better. This grand cabal also includes . . . the Establishment. Beck points out that Presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush refrained from bombing "ancient Babylon" during their respective wars against Iraq. "Why?" he asks. "Because the Bible tells us that that is the seat right there of power of a global evil empire," meaning that Islamic caliphate. Bush father and son each wanted to preserve the heart of a radical Islam caliphate?

Glenn Beck: Should Fox Toss Him Out of the Coop?

Beck also goes on to say that the Egyptian people, well, the "regular Egyptian people," anyhow, are not ready for democracy....

Beck first argues that he does not see "John Adams" or "George Washington" in Egypt. Given his next statement, it is not entirely clear whether Beck was being literal or figurative in his language. Beck next states, "The regular people of Egypt, I'm sorry they might be nice, but they are not the people of the American Revolution." So according to Beck, the Egyptian people cannot handle democracy because he does not see any the founding fathers living in Egypt today. The Egyptian people either need to invent a time machine or find a way to reincarnate George Washington if they want to have the right to elect their own leaders.Critics may argue that Beck’s argument reeks of ethnocentrism, and possibly even some racism. Beck, from his studio in the middle of New York City, simply declares the entire Egyptian population incapable of producing leaders “worthy” enough to fulfill a role like Adams or Washington. [/i]

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chicowalker · 02-08-2011, 01:42 PM

was it here or elsewhere that I read his ratings are declining?

Maybe he's getting desperate. otoh, he's always beena big conspiracy fan

Holy Diver · 02-08-2011, 01:56 PM

William Kristol: Beck Is "Marginalizing Himself" With His "Hysteria" Over Egypt

'nuff said

The Brandon Five · 02-08-2011, 02:08 PM

Get Ready for the Muslim Brotherhood - NY Times Opinion

Stokes · 02-08-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

William Kristol: Beck Is "Marginalizing Himself" With His "Hysteria" Over Egypt

'nuff said

Haha, you beat me to it. I was just reading about their little spat. When even the Weekly Standard crew is laughing at you you know you've got a problem.

wistahpatsfan · 02-08-2011, 02:45 PM

Two things on Beck:

1. He has been doing this bull***** since he came on the air. He is a comedian with a high-school education posing as an historian. Anyone who believes his crap is intellectually limited or intentionally ignorant.

2. Why any other news outlet or commentator would give him any ink or airtime is confusing to me. I thought we stopped listening to the John Birch Society a long time ago. It's like responding to Benny Hin as if he were Walter Cronkite. Beck will be gone soon.

***363839*** · 02-08-2011, 02:52 PM

I, for one, do not trust the whole "Muslim brotherhood" involvement in these protests.
I'm not sure how much they have to do with these protests. I know progressives minimize their influence(or appear to be doing this) on these protests. The main point of the protests being that Mubarak is a thug and brutal dictator and needs to be removed.
So I guess everyone is satisfied that if a changeover in government in Egypt occurs, it will be another secular government and not an Islamic republic. Apparently it is the military that will decide this but they too, are split within.
Israel is getting very nervous and I can't say I blame them.

The Brandon Five · 02-08-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

Get Ready for the Muslim Brotherhood - NY Times Opinion

This op-ed now requires registration to read it, so here is the text for those not inclined to register.

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In 1985, as a teenager in Kenya, I was an adamant member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Seventeen years later, in 2002, I took part in a political campaign to win votes for the conservative party in the Netherlands.

Those two experiences gave me some insights that I think are relevant to the current crisis in Egypt. They lead me to believe it is highly likely but not inevitable that the Muslim Brotherhood will win the elections to be held in Egypt this coming September.

As a participant in an election campaign, I learned a few basic lessons:

• The party must have a political program all members commit to with a vision of how to govern the country until the next election. Dissent within the party is a sure way of losing elections.

• Candidates must articulate not only what they will do for the country but also why the other party’s program will be catastrophic for the nation.

• The party has to be embedded in as many communities as possible, regardless of social class, religion or even political views.

• Candidates must constantly remind potential voters of their party’s successes and the opponent’s failures.

The secular democratic and human-rights groups in Egypt and in the rest of the Arab world show little sign of understanding these facts of political life. The Muslim Brotherhood, on the other hand, gets at least three out of four.
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Why are the secular democratic forces in Egypt so much weaker than the Muslim Brotherhood?

One reason is that they are an amalgam of very diverse elements: There are tribal leaders, free-market liberals, socialists, hard-core Marxists and human rights activists. In other words, they lack common ideological glue comparable to the one that the Brotherhood has. And there is a deep-seated fear that opposition to the Muslim Brotherhood, whose aim is to install Shariah once they come to power, will be seen by the masses as a rejection of Islam.

What the secular groups fail to do is to come up with a message of opposition that says “yes” to Islam, but “no” to Shariah — in other words, a campaign that emphasizes a separation of religion from politics. For Egypt and other Arab nations to escape the tragedy of either tyranny or Shariah, there has to be a third way that separates religion from politics while establishing a representative government, the rule of law, and conditions friendly to trade, investment and employment.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 02-08-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

This op-ed now requires registration to read it, so here is the text for those not inclined to register.

I'd already read it, but thanks for reprinting it.

Thing is - this really has little to do with Beck's rant.

I think most of us are at least a little wary of The Muslim Brotherhood - some of us more than others, but even if we weren't, it would have nothing to do with the entire "left" being involved in some huge world conspiracy that has American leftists working hand-in-glove with Communists and hardcore Islamics to take over the planet or even with Egypt being not quite ready for prime democracy because they don't have a George Washington or a Thomas Jefferson in the wings.

Nothing in what this woman writes has anything at all to do with either of those things - or with Beck's claim that The Bush's, Sr. and Jr., were in cahoots with The Brotherhood to preserve Babylon.

And that's what this thread is about.

Holy Diver · 02-08-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stokes

Haha, you beat me to it. I was just reading about their little spat. When even the Weekly Standard crew is laughing at you you know you've got a problem.

William Kristol is making sense to me...???

This is the sign of the 4th horseman....This is the blue Star the Hopi refer to....

get some canned goods!