weswelker#83

WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.

They called such deaths an important way to gauge the performance of a country's health care system.

Nolte said the large number of Americans who lack any type of health insurance -- about 47 million people in a country of about 300 million, according to U.S. government estimates -- probably was a key factor in the poor showing of the United States compared to other industrialized nations in the study.

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Real World

The title you put up is incredibley misleading, and inaccurate. The article is talking about preventative deaths, and not healthcare itself. The US has the best health care in the world. The systems problem is populatory access to it. Those are two very different things.

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STFarmy

You'll be shocked, I'm sure, to hear that Wes is just reiterating how the MSM is reporting it. Why would they EVER do that??

Real World

The headline to the article says preventable death ranking. Soon we'll get someone in here to type some hysteria about how the US healthcare system is the worst in the world. Watch, it's coming.

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weswelker#83

I think the 101,000 citizen that die in the United States every year agree with you , it is misleading.

Real World

People in this country don't take care of themselves wes. We're the fattest country in the world, and access to medical coverage has nothing to do with that. Look at the criteria for preventable deaths. It's anyone who dies before 75. No one is denied care in this country. People always forget that. The system is flawed and needs correction, but the headline is completely inaccurate & false. Care is not the problem, access is.

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weswelker#83

Good point.

Now , if Mgh Hospital has the latest machines and top notch doctors , what am i benefiting from it if i am part of the 47 millions that will get rejected for premium cares ?
Hey , i am talking about expensive cares , not about a cold/Flu treatment.

BelichickFan

That's what this guy likes to do. He slaps us misleading subjects and hopes for the best. This has nothing to do with "worst healthcare". If I shot myself that's preventable. Drug overdose. Too many Big Macs. Take your pick. We may lead in preventable deaths but it's surely not because of having the worst healthcare.

Real World

If you feel sick, all you have to do is go to the ER like all the illegals do. You won't be refused, and you won't have to pay. If the doctor at the ER feels you need further examination or coverage, you'll get it. It's obviously not ideal, but it's there. People tend to listen to everything they hear and read and take it as gospel. The important thing to know about issues we face is the truth. The system needs some fixing, and I'm not sure what the best path is to do that, but care is there for people who need it.

Here's an example, I had a medical issue that I thought needed some attention less than two weeks ago. My BCBS policy just went up to $550 a month for me, a 33 year old single male. So when I went to the MGH here in Chelsea, I told them my problem, and they gave me an appointment for a month later. When I explained that the problem kind of needed a more immediate evaluation, the woman told me to go to the ER, cuz a month from now was the best she could do. So I went to the ER, with all the illegals and people who have no coverage, or were like me, had insurance and couldn't get an appointment to see their doctor, and got evaluated.

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DarrylS

Understand your anger, my experience with ER's is not as much to do with people from different countries, but homeless people who either do not or are not able to care for themselves.

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