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Now, I know one or two or five protesting guys on the streets is not a great cross-section of Egyptians, but watching CNN over the weekend, they aired some interesting views of the "revolution"
All week we had been told the Egyptian people want "freedom", they want a government that is less corrupt, they want a dictator out.
"All the people hate [Mubarak]!" one protester shouted. "He's supporting Israel! Israel is our enemy. We don't like him... Israel and America supported him. We hate them all. We don't like them!"
"How do you get the president out of the country?" Robertson asked.
"By revolution," the protester replied.
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This wasn't the only protester they showed who said things like this.
Made me and my wife say "Uh Oh..." as soon as we heard it.
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I've seen a lot of the same lately. I'm not sure we're going to like what we see when the dust settles. You know all the fundamentalist regimes and organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, the Iranian ayatollahs, etc. are all working to insert themselves into the coming power structure, or at least move to mold what the new government will be. Not good if you ask me.
Another thing to consider, is what happens to the Suez Canal. If, and I'm simply specualting for the sake of discussion here, Eqypt moves toward a hardline, fundamentalist, Iran/AQ/Hamas type governent and restricts access to the Suez Canal, what would happen? Oil would likely spike in cost, and the fundamental government could then blackmail western economies to a degree, as well as gain revenues from the canal to use as funding for it's causes. Would the west allow that to happen? Hmm... Could you see a situation where a couple of years down the road some unfriendly radical government runs the Suez in such a way that the western nations get together and take the SC by force? Crazy I know, but it isn't completely improbabale is it? Well maybe.
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I've seen a lot of the same lately. I'm not sure we're going to like what we see when the dust settles. You know all the fundamentalist regimes and organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, the Iranian ayatollahs, etc. are all working to insert themselves into the coming power structure, or at least move to mold what the new government will be. Not good if you ask me.
Another thing to consider, is what happens to the Suez Canal. If, and I'm simply specualting for the sake of discussion here, Eqypt moves toward a hardline, fundamentalist, Iran/AQ/Hamas type governent and restricts access to the Suez Canal, what would happen? Oil would likely spike in cost, and the fundamental government could then blackmail western economies to a degree, as well as gain revenues from the canal to use as funding for it's causes. Would the west allow that to happen? Hmm... Could you see a situation where a couple of years down the road some unfriendly radical government runs the Suez in such a way that the western nations get together and take the SC by force? Crazy I know, but it isn't completely improbabale is it? Well maybe.
RW,
Agreed. I'm reading an interesting take on this over at global research:
"The U.S. posturing as neutral, “not taking sides,” could appease and mislead American public opinion, but to Arab and especially to Egyptian public opinion even neutrality is viewed as hostile and condemned in the region as a double standard when compared with the U.S. siding with similar moves for change elsewhere in the world, let alone that this neutrality contradicts the western highly valued democratic values at home."
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I think were being fed a BS sandwich here by our wussified media. But thats not exactly shocking either, is it?
Egypt's peace with Israel has never been popular among the Egyptians. Part of it is the indoctrination of the Egyptian people under Nasser and the effect that it has had on Egyptian perceptions of Israel to this day. It is not unlike the average American's feelings for Russia, which are still shaped, to a large extent by the anti-Soviet propaganda of the 1950s and 1960s.
Opinion polls in the Arab world about Israel are perhaps the most interesting, because Egypt tends to have among the least favorable views of Israel; even lower than Saudi Arabia and the Palestinians. I'm not home right now, but I can dig up some of that info when I get home.
The abrogation of the Egypt-Israel peace treaty is a near certainty in the post-Mubarak world.
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"The U.S. posturing as neutral, “not taking sides,” could appease and mislead American public opinion, but to Arab and especially to Egyptian public opinion even neutrality is viewed as hostile and condemned in the region as a double standard when compared with the U.S. siding with similar moves for change elsewhere in the world, let alone that this neutrality contradicts the western highly valued democratic values at home."
The Muslim Brotherhood has been beating this drum for a long time, and it's definitely a troubling development we're seeing here. Egyptian Islamists have been dreaming of doing something like this since 1979. Though Sunni, they admired that revolution, and had no issue with the anti-American overtones.
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I think were being fed a BS sandwich here by our wussified media. But thats not exactly shocking either, is it?
It took our media about three days to really pay this situation the attention it deserves. The "head in sand" approach has worked during previous unrest in Egypt (2004-2006), but this is different, and the whole world is paying attention now.
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Israel is in big trouble, when the Muslim Brotherhood starts killing them off will it finally be the "End Of Israel" always remember this Obama guy and most of America's "new ledt wing liberals" turned on Israel like snakes.
It seems like it happened overnight the amazing change in America's Left Wing, they went Anti Semetic in the blink of an eye and Obama certainly has no love for Israel the Israeli's know that now. Israel shocked by Obama's betrayal of Mubarak | Reuters
IS OBAMA REALLY A MUSLIM AT HEART
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE RELATIVES IN ISRAEL YOU BETTER GET THEM OUT
ISRAELI'S IN ISRAEL IF ANY OF YOU READ THIS I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, AMERICA'S LEFT WING LIBERALS ARE NOW IN A DEEP PASSIONATE LOVE AFFAIR WITH MUSLIMS, SO, WATCH OUT.
POOR LITTLE ISRAEL SURROUNDED BY THEIR ENEMY GOD HELP THEM
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I really need to arm myself. 2012 has popped into my mind a couple of times. What was it Nostrodamus said too?
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