Triple-T

Yeah. Maybe Egypt will gang up with Jordan and Syria and finally stop that Israeli problem for good!




Egypt better be careful or they'll end up like Sudan.

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Nikolai

I kind of agree with the cynicism behind this post. Egypt may have numbers and fancy military equipment, but Israel would likely mop the floor with Egypt in a conventional war. Though Israel has struggled somewhat with 4GW in the last few years, they, like the US, are still masters of 3GW.

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Harry Boy

These guys want a war with Israel (Muslim Brotherhood)
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=206130

The Muslims will win they have America's Left Wing on their side, in the liberals "world of cool" it's Very Cool now to "Muslim Slobber" the Left Wing in America has embraced Bigotry, they have gone Anti Semitic, so has President Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

ISRAEL IS IN BIG TROUBLE
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

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chicowalker

only in harry's fantasy land
(which would be, btw, the world's worst amusement park -- even worse than the creation "museum" thing down in Kentucky)

PatsFanInVa

The 4GW coverage is spotty where I live sometimes. Either that or I need to download the OS software...

seriously I'll bite. What the hell are these acronyms?

Triple-T

Fourth Generational Warfare. 4GW.

I tend to disagree with Nikolai here. I think Israel understands 4GW pretty well and they are exceptional at 3GW. Israel is not going to fall to any of these middle eastern nations, with or without US assistance.

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Nikolai

Thanks for the clarification on the 4GW. I was in a rush and didn't feel like typing it out. I'm also wireless illiterate and forgot that 3G and 4G are cell phone thingies; thanks for reminding me Mr. P.

I agree that Israel understands 4GW very well, but they have struggled with it, because I'm sure you know that the media angle is a very important part of the overall concept. Israel has improved, as can be seen from the Gaza conflict, but those lessons were learned the hard way in 2006 and during the Al Aqsa Intifada. Personally, I think Israel has introduced some interesting concepts for waging 4GW, but I'm not so sure they will be wholly applicable to the American experience in the Middle East.

In the end, I agree with you. Israel is not in any existential danger from the Egyptian military, but that border crossing at Rafah may become a real problem.

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patsboy44

Will be interesting to see its effect on Israel in the next few months.

PatsFanInVa

Certainly hard to be optimistic. I'll add a couple zigs from the standard viewpoint, without any great amount of certainty:

- Muslim Brotherhood long ago renounced violence in Egypt. We don't know whether that goes away once they are one of a number of parties vying for power, or if they take power. Observers place them at getting between 30-40% of the vote, if there was a real-life election there.

- El Baradei, thus far, seems at least passably popular there. He can at least participate in the demos without getting lynched. He may end up being the Chalaby of Egypt, but it seems like he's a legit alternative. We don't know yet.

- Nobody dares say or hope it, but what if "the people", as a mass of people, can accept the "cold peace?" What if they do elsewhere in the Arab world?

Thread this needle correctly and the false choice of autocrat vs. theocrat goes away... we'll see.

A "stay tuned" situation. My gut says the "optimism window" is pretty narrow, from a pro-Israeli point of view. I take a certain amount of comfort from the relatively non-violent nature of the protests thus far, but I have trouble seeing a stable Egyptian government that honors its current relationship with Israel.

From the POV of an Egyptian? At least they can make choices I don't like democratically (even if they were previously making choices I do like autocratically.)

It's kind of hard to condition one's happiness on someone else's subjugation. What a lovely surprise it would be if we didn't need dictators to rule in Arab nations, once their own populations rise up.

That's the thing about democracy: it's not "the will of the people so long as that's convenient to American (or Israeli) policy objectives."

PFnV

Harry Boy

Should we and Israel trust this guy?
U.S. 'held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood'

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