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Old 01-30-2011, 06:14 PM   #1
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Why were "Insane Asylums" (nut houses) closed-------

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Why were "Insane Asylums" (nut houses) closed-------
Ask Reagan.

State mental hospitals were taken away by Governor Reagan in the seventies, and federal mental health programs were later taken away by President Reagan in the eighties.

When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.

Seeing an increase in crime, and brutal murders by Herb Mullin, a mental hospital patient, the state legislature passed a law that would stop Reagan from closing even more state-funded mental health hospitals. But Reagan would not be outdone. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers program and its funding.

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Ask Reagan.

State mental hospitals were taken away by Governor Reagan in the seventies, and federal mental health programs were later taken away by President Reagan in the eighties.

When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.

Seeing an increase in crime, and brutal murders by Herb Mullin, a mental hospital patient, the state legislature passed a law that would stop Reagan from closing even more state-funded mental health hospitals. But Reagan would not be outdone. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers program and its funding.

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I really do not understand how the actions of GOVERNOR Reagan have any bearing on a Massachusetts problem.

PRESIDENT Reagan was exactly right when he closed a Federal program performing fuctions that were clearly a States issue.

I do not know why the Commonwealth of Massachusetts closed its centers, but there is short and long term care available here in the hospital system.
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This is clearly a Communist plot, Harry. They are ruining our purity of essence by contaminating our precious bodily fluids.

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Ask Reagan.

State mental hospitals were taken away by Governor Reagan in the seventies, and federal mental health programs were later taken away by President Reagan in the eighties.

When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.

Seeing an increase in crime, and brutal murders by Herb Mullin, a mental hospital patient, the state legislature passed a law that would stop Reagan from closing even more state-funded mental health hospitals. But Reagan would not be outdone. In 1980, congress proposed new legislation (PL 96-398) called the community mental health systems act (crafted by Ted Kennedy), but the program was killed by newly-elected President Ronald Reagan. This action ended the federal community mental health centers program and its funding.

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You really should run things like this by your neighborhood "gatekeeper" (Hi Mr. P!) before posting them. That's from a left-wing blog for Pete's sake.

The situation in the area of mental health over the last 50 years is a lot more complicated than this and blaming Reagan for the end of involuntary commitment is a pretty creative reading of history.

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The Dilemma Report was released on November, 28 1966. Its draft legislation got off to a flowery start, only to be met with the usual support/opposition based on ideologies and turf wars. At a early public hearing, Dr. Warren Vaughn set the tone of both opposition and support to the bill when he praised its emphasis on community services, but gave qualm to the limitation of seventeen days (three days of observation and fourteen days commitment) for involuntary commitment. He strongly recommended that suicidal people also be included for potential nonvoluntary treatment, and that the definition of gravely disabled be broadened.

Maurice Rodgers, spokesman for the California State Psychological Association, called the plan the "Magna Carta of the Mentally Ill," while the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), officially in support of the legislation, raised objection to the fact that the patient had to personally petition for a due process hearing at the initial point in the commitment. (The current probable cause hearing at 72 hours was legislated after a court case in 1978, known as Doe v. Gallinot.)

Some Short Doyle administrators objected to the ESU which would have been funded through MediCal. They viewed the ESU as a potentially competing community mental health system to their own, which was limited by the amount of match given by the counties. The bill was subsequently redrafted to make it difficult for the county supervisors to bypass Short-Doyle directors for evaluation and treatment services. The California State Association of Counties (CSAC) thought the bill would add extra financial burden on the counties.22

Frank Lanterman himself noted the inadvisability of releasing people who were potentially dangerous after the 14 days hold.

Perhaps the most colorful support came from ninety-one year old Mr. Simpson who said he had once spent seven months in Agnews State Hospital as a "political prisoner." Raising a paperback copy of Ken Kesey's One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, he said it told the truth about mental hospitals.

The commitment bill was amended nearly 300 times, and was as good as dead during the legislative process until Frank Lanterman refused to allow another bill out of a committee he chaired unless the commitment bill was amended into it. The bill which accepted the amendment was a popular piece of legislation authored by Senator Short, which called for an increase in state financial participation in the Short Doyle system to a 90/10 ratio. As a result the new commitment scheme became known as Lanterman, Petris, Short Act (LPS).

LPS was signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan, the same year in which his budget act abolished 1700 hospital staff positions and closed several of the state-operated aftercare facilities. Reagan promised to eliminate even more hospitals if the patient population continued to decline. Year-end population counts for the state hospitals had been declining by approximately 2000 people per year since 1960. The LPS Act became effective January 1, 1969 giving the system a year to reconstitute itself to the new procedures.23

The LPS Act was a seminal doctrine. Its goal was the end of inappropriate lifetime commitment for people with mental illness. The memorialization of this doctrine remains excellent. It firmly established in the mind of the state and the public that people with mental illness are entitled to civil rights, nondiscrimination, treatment and community life. However, like Dorthea Dix's good intent when she first proposed state hospitals, implementation of the act has become threadbare.
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Was involved with the deinstitutionalization movement and it was a great idea...but was operationalized poorly when they closed the institution and put people in less restrictive environments, the money that was supposed to follow did not.

The services that the institution provided did not follow and the rise of homelessness is part of this. Many on the streets who are conversing with themselves is piss soaked chino's need more care and attention than they are getting. Unfortunately, the providers are stressed to the max and cannot meet the needs of all. They also cannot force someone to take their meds or come in from the cold.

There are provisions for institutionalization for those determined in danger to themselves and others, however spontaneous violence does happen occasionally.

Unfortunately, once again the death of a person is politicized and there is little respect for the person or family. BTW this is the second time this has happened in Massachusetts in the past several weeks.
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Wasn't weasle Dukakis mixed up in this with Massachusetts.

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No, i think it was Gov King. In Ma. they started closing down the institutions in '80-81. Then Weld came in and started closing the group homes, i know i was there.

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