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Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by Real World
Public employee unions at their best. Seriously though, why does the government need to have a union in the first place? The government is supposedly the best tool to run our lives from A to Z, but at the same time, they aren't good enough to run employment at their service agencies, on their own. Go figure.
Well, in all fairness, a work slow down is a refreshing change from 200+ adults all converging on the house of a 15 year old home alone and scaring the living hell out of him.
EDIT: After reading a bit about this (including some of the comments in this thread) it seems their greed and selfishness most certainly cost some people their lives since emergency services couldn't get through. I apologize for the above remark and hereby retract it. But I'm sure the union thugs are very proud of themselves.
Last edited by Wolfpack; 01-01-2011 at 10:10 PM..
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Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
No adequate response by reflex here to the devastating NY Post opinion piece I linked to. Just a lazy, subintellectual whine.
Why the piece is so effective is bringing up the notorious NYC fire in 1911. That clearly showed that working conditions were unsafe, and unions were clearly necessary for workers' heath.
Now, many decades later the public sector unions are protecting incompetence--my high-ranking DC bureaucrat friend took a year to fire a white guy who admitted his laziness and fecklessness. He said if it had been a minority or female, the extra hurdles would have made it even more difficult.
And we the taxpayers, we'll some of us anyway who aren't still living in the basement with Mom and have no family, are getting "burned." For a person not to see the harm that public sector unions cause, they have to be blind, stupid, or a state hireling himself.
BTW, FDR was wary of public sector unions for the same reason I do: it is apt to hurt the public it intends to serve. A Source.
It was only an executive decision 10988 by JFK that first permitted unions to form of public sector employees. A Source. So for over 150 years American federal workers didn't work as members of a union. During that time they happened to open the frontier, settle the country, develop a higher education system, win a few wars, make it through the Industrial Age, defeat many diseases, and so on. Who would've thunk it?
I have much less concern for private sector unions--I myself am a member of one--except they generally kill the goose that lays the golden egg, pace Detroit auto makers.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by State
No adequate response by reflex here to the devastating NY Post opinion piece I linked to. Just a lazy, subintellectual whine.
Why the piece is so effective is bringing up the notorious NYC fire in 1911. That clearly showed that working conditions were unsafe, and unions were clearly necessary for workers' heath.
Now, many decades later the public sector unions are protecting incompetence--my high-ranking DC bureaucrat friend took a year to fire a white guy who admitted his laziness and fecklessness. He said if it had been a minority or female, the extra hurdles would have made it even more difficult.
And we the taxpayers, we'll some of us anyway who aren't still living in the basement with Mom and have no family, are getting "burned." For a person not to see the harm that public sector unions cause, they have to be blind, stupid, or a state hireling himself.
BTW, FDR was wary of public sector unions for the same reason I do: it is apt to hurt the public it intends to serve. A Source.
It was only an executive decision 10988 by JFK that first permitted unions to form of public sector employees. A Source. So for over 150 years American federal workers didn't work as members of a union. During that time they happened to open the frontier, settle the country, develop a higher education system, win a few wars, make it through the Industrial Age, defeat many diseases, and so on. Who would've thunk it?
I have much less concern for private sector unions--I myself am a member of one--except they generally kill the goose that lays the golden egg, pace Detroit auto makers.
It's sickening how the lefties in here automatically default to "defend union hacks no matter what they did" mode, like when those 200 union members surrounded the house where a teenager was home alone. We literally saw the following responses from 2 liberal in here on that matter:
"Ha ha" - liberal who shall not be named
"Good for them" - liberal who shall not be named
Now the union hacks have cost people their lives, and the usual suspects in here have to defend the unions, no matter what level of douchebaggery they lower themselves to.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
Always amazed how the desperate right will try to extrapolate anecdotal evidence into something more significant than it actually is.. In this case some unnamed union members heard something and then told a Councilman with a bias that this alla
egedly happened.. that is hearsay to the nth degree..
So this hearsay now becomes fact so that the right can start to demonize a specific group of people, who will now bear the brunt of the blame for all of the evils of society...
If there is evidence, then pursue it and if wrongdoing is found prosecute it. But to rely on the evidence provided is folly and shows how the right wants to situationally apply the constitution to a group that they now want to demonize..
Imagine an intelligent method for any of these issues.. hard to believe isn't it??? There is great comfort in hysteria and half truths.
__________________ "Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by DarrylS
Always amazed how the desperate right will try to extrapolate anecdotal evidence into something more significant than it actually is.. In this case some unnamed union members heard something and then told a Councilman with a bias that this alla
egedly happened.. that is hearsay to the nth degree..
So this hearsay now becomes fact so that the right can start to demonize a specific group of people, who will now bear the brunt of the blame for all of the evils of society...
If there is evidence, then pursue it and if wrongdoing is found prosecute it. But to rely on the evidence provided is folly and shows how the right wants to situationally apply the constitution to a group that they now want to demonize..
Imagine an intelligent method for any of these issues.. hard to believe isn't it??? There is great comfort in hysteria and half truths.
This from the guy who believes J Edgar Hoover was a cross dresser based on the account of one single individual who happened to be a mobster's 4th wife, and in direct contradiction of countless historians and other eyewitnesses.
Any impartial, intelligent review of the evidence supports the idea that this was a deliberate slow down. Unfortunately, liberals are not capacle of conducting an intelligent review of just about anything. NYC has had worse storms cleared with far greater efficiency. And you know what? If it wasn't a deliberate slow down then each and every single one of them should be fired for gross incompetence.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by Wolfpack
This from the guy who believes J Edgar Hoover was a cross dresser based on the account of one single individual who happened to be a mobster's 4th wife, and in direct contradiction of countless historians and other eyewitnesses.
You, sir, are very knowledgeable. What you say is true. Furthermore, it's my understanding her character--SUSAN ROSENSTIEL--has been proved to be less than admirable, and she has lied under oath in another case in 1971, serving time at Riker's Island for perjury.
What you have written is the best line I've read in this sub-forum in the past three or four years. Well done, sir!
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by Wolfpack
Any impartial, intelligent review of the evidence supports the idea that this was a deliberate slow down. Unfortunately, liberals are not capacle of conducting an intelligent review of just about anything. NYC has had worse storms cleared with far greater efficiency. And you know what? If it wasn't a deliberate slow down then each and every single one of them should be fired for gross incompetence.
In your continual hysteria you obviously missed these comments from the same post..
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If there is evidence, then pursue it and if wrongdoing is found prosecute it
The right so loves the constitution, they often forget its most relevant applications.. maybe is it just a "goddam piece of paper"... or maybe the standard of evidence that they accepted in the Breitbart/O'Keefe brou ha ha is the new method of how justice will be determined.
The reality is that you do not know all of the details, except what you have read from the right wing mediots..
__________________ "Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by sdaniels7114
[Some guy says some other guys told him they worked slow]
The brackets contain 100% of the evidence you've used to claim there was a slowdown. Don't talk about evidence if that's all you have for us.
I suggest you work on the old reading comprehension, son. I pointed out the evidence being that it took them considerably longer to clear up the city than it has in the past compared to similar (or larger) storms. This was not your typical clean up routine.
But hey, they're good democrat-voting liberals! So you are pre-programmed to take your marching orders from Huffington and Olbermann to defend them to the death. How sad for you.
Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
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Originally Posted by State
You, sir, are very knowledgeable. What you say is true. Furthermore, it's my understanding her character--SUSAN ROSENSTIEL--has been proved to be less than admirable, and she has lied under oath in another case in 1971, serving time at Riker's Island for perjury.
What you have written is the best line I've read in this sub-forum in the past three or four years. Well done, sir!