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In late 2009 a young mother in her 20s and 11 weeks pregnant entered a Catholic hospital suffering from severe pulmonary hypertension. In spite of all their best efforts doctors knew they could not save both mother and fetus and the decision was made by a team of doctors and approved by the hospital's Ethics Committee which included Sister Margaret McBride. The woman's death was declared nearly 100% imminent unless the pregnancy was terminated.
Traditional Catholic law does allow for termination of pregnancy when a mother's life is in severe danger.
Based on the above information, the decision was made to terminate and the mother made a full recovery.
However - the Archbishop of Arizona has since excommunicated Sister Margaret and removed the hospital from the rolls of hospitals which can call themselves "Catholic."
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DUBLIN (AP) — The Vatican tried to stop Dublin church leaders from defrocking a particularly dangerous pedophile priest and relented only after he raped a boy in a pub restroom, an investigation reported Friday.
Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said he fully accepted the findings of the latest chapter in Ireland's investigation into child abuse by Catholic Church figures.
Martin called Tony Walsh an "extremely devious man" who should never have been ordained a priest, and said the report highlighted how the church had grown too powerful and arrogant in 20th century Ireland.
A state-ordered investigation into Dublin Archdiocese cover-ups reported last year that Catholic officials had shielded scores of priests from criminal investigation over several decades and didn't report any crimes to the police until 1995. The findings sent shockwaves through the church and forced three Irish bishops to resign
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Disgusting:
Does this Bastard Archbishop realize that there are millions and millions of Catholics all over the world that won't allow their children to go to church alone for fear of some scumsucking demented Priest F-cking their child in the coat room.
This Archbishop is probably one of the Sodomizers himself.
Stay Away From Organized Religion If You Believe In Your God Quietly Go Out Into Your Garage Close Your Eyes And Speak To Your God Your Little Boys Will Be Safe And You Will Save A Ton Of Money, Stay Out Of Those F-cking Churches.
Gold Digging Church Over There>>>>>>>>
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In late 2009 a young mother in her 20s and 11 weeks pregnant entered a Catholic hospital suffering from severe pulmonary hypertension. In spite of all their best efforts doctors knew they could not save both mother and fetus and the decision was made by a team of doctors and approved by the hospital's Ethics Committee which included Sister Margaret McBride. The woman's death was declared nearly 100% imminent unless the pregnancy was terminated.
Traditional Catholic law does allow for termination of pregnancy when a mother's life is in severe danger.
Based on the above information, the decision was made to terminate and the mother made a full recovery.
However - the Archbishop of Arizona has since excommunicated Sister Margaret and removed the hospital from the rolls of hospitals which can call themselves "Catholic."
The catholic church doesn't believe in baby killing under any circumstances. To them, it is God's will that determines the outcome in these cases. While I don't agree, it's their church, and therefore their rules. I think the sister, based on the info in your post, acted appropriately. However, the church has it's own position, and acted according to it.
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The catholic church doesn't believe in baby killing under any circumstances. To them, it is God's will that determines the outcome in these cases. While I don't agree, it's their church, and therefore their rules. I think the sister, based on the info in your post, acted appropriately. However, the church has it's own position, and acted according to it.
Yeah, I know....it just doesn't make sense to me. The inevitable outcome would have been the death of both mother and fetus - it wasn't like there was going to be a good outcome or even a fair one. The fetus was condemned to death regardless - the only good that could possible come from the whole thing was the life of the mother being saved - which they did.
If the fetus had a chance I could have understood - but it did not. A fetus is not viable at 11 weeks and the mother was in immediate danger of dying - there was no way they could have sustained her life long enough for the fetus to have a chance of survival outside of the womb.
I doubt it was a decision which was arrived at lightly - or even stupidly. These were professionals - catholic profesionals - who arrived at this conclusion. When your choices are thus, 1 death or 2 deaths, it seems like a no-brainer. Hospital ERs, military medical professionals and paramedics make those kind of choices all too often. It's called triage, and they don't get excommunicated for having chosen to save the more viable over the less viable.
Maybe I should shut up, in that case, before someone gets the bright idea that triage in a disaster situation is a bad idea, too, and just leaves everyone to die.
Yeah, I know....it just doesn't make sense to me. The inevitable outcome would have been the death of both mother and fetus - it wasn't like there was going to be a good outcome or even a fair one. The fetus was condemned to death regardless - the only good that could possible come from the whole thing was the life of the mother being saved - which they did.
If the fetus had a chance I could have understood - but it did not. A fetus is not viable at 11 weeks and the mother was in immediate danger of dying - there was no way they could have sustained her life long enough for the fetus to have a chance of survival outside of the womb.
I doubt it was a decision which was arrived at lightly - or even stupidly. These were professionals - catholic profesionals - who arrived at this conclusion. When your choices are thus, 1 death or 2 deaths, it seems like a no-brainer. Hospital ERs, military medical professionals and paramedics make those kind of choices all too often. It's called triage, and they don't get excommunicated for having chosen to save the more viable over the less viable.
Maybe I should shut up, in that case, before someone gets the bright idea that triage in a disaster situation is a bad idea, too, and just leaves everyone to die.
In the church's eyes, you don't kill a baby under any circumstances, regardless if you are attempting to save the mother. While I don't agree with that personally, that's what they believe. To them, it's God who determines the child's fate, and anyone who goes against God's will, suffers the consequences (kinda anyway). It's hard core religion. Trying to apply Real World logic to issues of faith is sometimes going to leave us scratching our heads. The bottom line is that the church has a very rigid rule with respect to situations like these, and any deviation from that rule, is unacceptable no matter how sensible it is to the rest of us.
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The Catholic church just ok'd condoms in some situations. Maybe in the next century they will be ok with saving a mother in a hopeless situation.
Or better yet, they won't be around at all.
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