Your entire premise of attacking me personally for most of this year is based on our first exchange, which started when I called you out for personally attacking another poster. THAT is where everything started, and until you deal with that you are just blowing smoke. You got caught, like the guy on the field who fouls another player then points his finger pretending it was the responding player who started the trouble, and it's there blatantly for everyone to see:

PressCoverage (posted on 01/03/2007, and referring to Harry Boy, a fellow poster on this board): "you're quite possibly the worst, most irrelevant poster i've ever encountered on any message forum... when you make a point, supported with links or facts, it'll be a first..."

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...677#post278677

... which is the sum total of your post to which I originally responded. That's it. Everything. In toto. And THAT is what I responded to directly, along with some build-up from your other previous instances of ad hominem, personal denigration attacks on other posters. Somebody should have reigned you in long ago, after your first personal attack on another poster here, but no one did, so I did.

And still you try in vain to spin things your way. No matter what you do, the truth is never going away. YOU started with the personal attacks, long before I finally uttered one word to you, and you know it, as does everyone else. You said it, you personally attacked not only Harry but many posters, and I finally leveled the boom on you. Guess everyone knows who the liar is around here, and it certainly is not me.

Take your punishment like man for once. You made an attempt a few weeks ago to repent of your nastiness, why not keep trying until you get it right? I am absolutely certain that I am not the only one who feels your habit of personally attacking other posters brings down the atmosphere of this list.


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still a nasty jerk unable to repent his own hypocrisy and pissy rhetoric, even on Christmas morning, aren't you, Father False Prophet?... ah well.. it remains quite "on" then, doesn't it?.... no problem...

i know what i said to Harry... and i stand by it completely, still today... it mentioned his posts, not his personal virtue (or lackthereof)... but, again i ask: what business did my discourse with Harry have to do with you in your first day arriving, forum cop? ... oh, that's right... nothing whatsoever...

you can squawk "you you you" 1,000 times if you like, but the fact remains... between you and me, you were the one who disrespected me first, you were the one who quickly ramped up the vitriol with negative speculation about my father, and pissy assumptions about my income and upbringing (facts you conveniently ignore with silence, despite being reminded about 3-4 times now)... no where, during that first week, did i do anything remotely the same ... all i did was hammer your convenient, heartless political belief system...

please dont embarrass yourself by suggesting anyone but YOU brought down the level of discourse here since arriving... heck, you earned the disdain of 2/3 of the board in your first 2 days, running your mouth about "you'll see -- you'll learn" religious condemnation about life choices you have no authority on...

face it, Fog... no one likes you here... and only 2 or 3 posters come to your aid, and that's merely because your goofy "kill em all til they learn" geopolitics conveniently aligns with theirs...

you're a cultist who continuously tries to blur the line between church and state.... no one trusts you, nor your wacko cult... that goes for aetheists, as well as God-fearing Christians, or Jews... yet you HATE the fact that you haven't been able to recruit any new Moonies from here...

you earned it... and the FACT that several posters here take you to task for your nasty hypocrisy brings out your purest WRATH... biggest hypocrite on the forums... that would be you...

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You might want to read back all your words to me while you are facing a mirror; it seems very much like you are talking about yourself. Would be a step toward your reprentence and restoration.

One more time, r-e-e-e-a-a-l slow, so you can't miss anything:

PressCoverage (01/03/2007) said: "you're quite possibly the worst, most irrelevant poster i've ever encountered on any message forum... when you make a point, supported with links or facts, it'll be a first..."

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...677#post278677

"Worst, irrelevant poster", "you" -- these are comments NOT limited just to Harry's post itself. No, you, as you usually do, went far beyond critiquing Harry's "post", and you went all the way into flaming Harry, the man. And you do this in almost all of your posts when you take issue with someone; you almost invariably make it "personal". I cannot imagine how you get away with such a thing in a professional setting. It is certainly not a nice or professional way of treating people.

YOU personalized the attack, PressCoverage, by referring to Harry as "you", "worst,irrelevant poster". You attacked on the personal level, PC. YOU started the flame war. Only after you had already launched the first personal attack on Harry did I return with:

"Fogbuster: "Whoa!! Are YOU saying Saddam didn't throw people off of roofs? didn't have rape rooms for wives, daughters and mothers of his enemies, where the men had to watch their women getting gang raped before they themselves were shredded in plastic-shredding machines? that Saddam didn't drop nerve gas on WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND OLD INVALID PEOPLE???

Get a life in reality, presscoverage; stop this insane crucifixion of GWB!! He has his faults, so let's deal with them CONSTRUCTIVELY not with the goal of taking off his head. The crucifixion of Nixon was purely evil enough. Because of it, Billy boy had to be impeached. But, if you try it again with Bush, the streets of America will be painted red with the blood of millions, NOT because anyone says so but because such blind hatred of these presidents will not allow any other outcome."

The sum total of my pointing out your personal attack was to say: "get a life in reality, presscoverage." That was it. Period. That doesn't even approach the level of nastiness with which you coated your attack on Harry. Not even close.

You cannot lay this off onto me, PC. No matter how hard you try, it won't stick. I'd take this matter into a court of law any day of the week.

The instigator of the mean-spiritedness that has poisoned the list has been you, PressCoverage, and everybody knows it. No doubt whatsoever. You can still be a passionate believer in your cause, as NEM is about his, but you need to learn to offer your message, your passion, your heart without offending people with whom you disagree. That never helps any constructive dialogue.



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again, i ask, and perhaps you'll acknowledge it this time: ... what does my exchange with Harry have to do with your own culpability between you and i? about which a poster, Harry, that you, yourself, said the following:

Actually, I thought I'd give you a taste of what you always give to others, like to Harry and PatsFan13, but they're both big boys; they'll deal with you.

i mean, how do you justify running to Harry's aid in one breath, then suggest they're "big boys" in another? can you ever stay on message? do you even know what you're ever talking about?

anyhow... moving on....

again, i ask: between you and i, which of us speculated on the other's father, income, lifestyle or family that first fateful week you disgraced us all with your presence?

i remain hopeful that you'll actually answer those questions directly, not deflect away to some other irrelevant, inaccurate tangent...

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To answer your first question: what you said in your blatant ad hominem attack on Harry back at the beginning of the year deserved censure, and that's what I did. I had seen you beforehand deal similarly with other posters, as well, referring to them as "genius", or "retard", or the like. Your penchant for personal attacks was sticking out like a sore thumb on this list, and I finally had seen enough. So, I called you on it. At that, you went ballistic.

I tried on several occasions to lower the level of vitriol that was shooting back and forth, but it seemed every time I did you seemed to interpret that as some sign of "weakness" or "vulnerability", and you chose to try to exploit that. Which only poured gasoline onto the fire.

You bring up my questions to you about your father, your job, your personal life, yet none of these were done out of mean-spiritedness. All of our dads have been limited in their abilities to help us, to set an ideal example for us -- mine included -- and that's not meant to be destructive, but it is simply to say we can do better now, and we must.

But in truth, before I said anything about these points you mention, you can go back and see how many times you used unnecessarily cruel and demeaning personal attacks against those with whom you disagree. I just did a quick review of about one year ago, around the time both you and I actively joined this list, and you had run-ins with Real World, Harry, and Qui Con, for starters. I didn't do a thorough check.

Over the past year I've come to know and appreciate a number of the posters on this list, even those with whom I may have a different political view. I've come to understand your pov better, and, though I do not agree with all aspects of it, do at least understand where you are coming from. Point is: you labor your argument unnecessarily with personal venom, and that detracts substantially from what you're trying to say. You are obviously intelligent and well-read on many issues, so it seems a waste to have your talents diminished by a poor delivery.


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Harry's post deserved exactly what it received... and i stand behind it 100%... he never stays on topic, offers disturbing prose that hardly passes as poetry, and has yet to support his arguments when called on them... Anything you "saw beforehand" was in direct response to another poster's direct attack on me... look it up... Lastly, i don't much care that you called me on it... What i do care about is that, between you and I, YOU are the one who got personal first... which you capitulated below...

please... every time you've ever called for a cessation of banal attacks, you lasted about a day before reverting back to condemnation and judgemental preeching, whether about gays, muslims, or other posters and your odd perceptions of their lifestyle... sorry, but we've all come to expect the exact opposite from you when you call for "calm"...

at least you've finally acknowledged the question, but now you're backtracking and sugarcoating... trying to smooth over your rather nasty insinuation, then pretending to be baffled when you're not forgiven and taken to task for such loathsome judgement... you never asked any "questions" about my father... you made a summary judgement: ...

"Your father must have treated you badly. I'm sorry for you."

that's no question... at least be a man about it, and don't insult us all further by suggesting it's not out of meanspiritedness... you're profoundly meanspirited, repeatedly, in here... as this post exposes perfectly...


great... i'm well aware of all my battles back then, and those today, so you're really not clueing me in to anthing i've forgotten about... but none of them were unsolicited, and all were IN RESPONSE to disrespectful, direct personal assaults on me... especially your little pupil, Obi-Qui

take a long, long look in the mirror... as for my delivery, your assessment of it being "poor" is no better than subjective... regardless, my delivery exhibits proportional, reciprocal fire in a language that only the "kill em all, empoverish em all" crowd can truly understand and hear... it's a catharsis for me, rest assured, but it's much, MUCH more direct in real life when i encounter a Bushie... suffice to say, i tire of seeing fat, pastey, priviledged white men lie and defend the lies of the most criminal, hypocritical administration this nation has ever endured...

my cause is the very reason our forefathers insured the seperation of church from state... because nothing is more dangerous than crusading zealots who want to tell all Americans how to live... nothing...

so if you don't like my delivery, which adequately matches those of your good friends like Obi-Qui, PiNY and Harry, well... too bad, block me... but, i suppose it's ok when they do it, huh?

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PC, PC, PC,.... Harry is about 80 years old, and you are going to complain about him?? Please. He gives the total of his life in his posts, and for my money, doesn't owe me arcane research off of some equally nebulous sources. But, most of all, I have yet to see Harry attack any poster personally. I've never seen it. And *that's* what I like about him more than anything. He keeps it all in perspective. You could learn something from him. (!!!)

Please show for me one example of where I have personally attacked anyone for having same-sex relations, or being Muslim, or anything else. I attack behaviors, not people. Yes, you and jack got me p.o.'d once or twice, and I let fly, but if YOU can hold onto what ol' Harry says, then what YOU say regularly is store house for several megatons of retort, of which I give only a small sample. Think about it.

There's no "capitulation", no "back-tracking", and no "sugar-coating" going on here, PC. Try to ratchet down your paranoia a few orders. I am NOT your enemy. If I was I wouldn't holding this conversation with you!!

I cited you for your repeated penchant for launching personal attacks on people -- usually for the most mild of offenses, it needs to be said -- and then play the "victim" card. Look, if I were the only one here who has made note of this, I'd get more introspective about it, and give you more of a pass; but you have exhibited this kind of behavior for a long time, and you should stop it, especially if you really want to be taken seriously.

What I said about your father was not intended as a put-down of you or him. As I said earlier: all fathers know they could have done a better job and regret not having done so; ask any father. We live and we learn, try to do better and keep going forward.

Yup, as I said, you know how to push buttons. Good for you. It still doesn't amount to one per cent of the constant diet of humiliation, degradation, and personal insults you hurl in almost every one of your posts. Look 'em up. Compare your posts with those of everybody else. This is not just a matter of "personal style"; it's a matter of respecting other posters, even when you disagree strongly with them. I couldn't disagree more strongly with NEM if I tried, but I haven't felt any desire to personally attack him because he has never shown a consistent tendency to attack other posters. With you, it's like you are begging for others to attack you, so you can justify the ad hominem even further. It's not a healthy sign.

For someone as smart and communication-savvy as you are, it is really a waste of your talent to get mired in low-level trash-talk. You are better than that, whether you know it or not.

I have *never* seen any poster on this list say anybody should "kill 'em all, impoverish them all". Not once. Not even close.

I think we all need to find a way to get along with each other, no matter what political or other ideological belief system each one of us holds. America and the world are in the process of sorting out the direction for this new century/millennium, and if war really is not your thing, then you need to find a way of expressing yourself that demonstrates your desire for peaceful reconciliation. Otherwise, people are going to misjudge you every time.

Well, I see the First Amendment as first guaranteeing freedom of faith, above all else. But even faith is not the issue anymore; dealing with one another in a mutually supportive and congenial manner is what makes for peace, not who shouts slogans the loudest or who carries the most banners or demonstrates the most on the streets. This is beyond even faith; this is about actually making a peaceful ideal world. I know it can happen, but we all have to do our part. You can do yours by treating others as you want them to treat you.


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