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Holy Diver · 11-09-2010, 04:40 PM

ThinkProgress GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz Willing To Investigate Bush For Torture: I Have No ‘Hesitation Whatsoever’

RATIGAN: How far back do you think is appropriate? Because the one thing that’s not on this list is for instance a torture investigation.

CHAFFETZ: Well, it may be on the list as well. I’m not afraid of going after the Bush administration. I wasn’t brought here by the establishment. When I ran for congressman in 2008, I’m just a freshman year, George W. Bush, Orrin Hatch, and Bob Bennett, three Republicans, they campaigned against me. So I don’t mind going back and looking at ‘em. So I don’t have any hestitation whatsoever.

My man!

Holy Diver · 11-09-2010, 04:45 PM

for those of you on this board who are FOOLISH enough to believe that torture saved any american lives:

ThinkProgress Former British Government Minister Disputes Bush’s Claim That Waterboarding Foiled Terror Plots In Britain

“I don’t think there was any doubt there were real plots,” Mr Howells told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. “Where I doubt what President Bush has said is that this, what we regard as torture, actually produced information which was instrumental in preventing those plots coming to fruition. I’m not convinced of that."

“There is no point having international justice for petty African dictators if you can’t apply it to the leaders of powerful countries like the US. … “I’m not saying that [Bush’s] claim that torture evidence prevented terror attacks has no credibility whatsoever, but no evidence has been presented.”

“Waterboarding is torture; torture is illegal under international law,” said Amnesty International’s Steve Ballinger. “So President Bush’s statement is an admission that a crime has been committed."

IllegalContact · 11-10-2010, 07:39 AM

since its been a day and nobody seems interested in responding, I feel guilty enough to give you some validation.

so if they didn't campaign against him, he would not be talking this way now?

gotcha........I was just checking to see how people differentiate between right and wrong.

I'd like to waterboard you......but just for fun...maybe get you to have visions of orange plumes

The Brandon Five · 11-10-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

for those of you on this board who are FOOLISH enough to believe that torture saved any american lives:

ThinkProgress Former British Government Minister Disputes Bush’s Claim That Waterboarding Foiled Terror Plots In Britain

“I don’t think there was any doubt there were real plots,” Mr Howells told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. “Where I doubt what President Bush has said is that this, what we regard as torture, actually produced information which was instrumental in preventing those plots coming to fruition. I’m not convinced of that."

“There is no point having international justice for petty African dictators if you can’t apply it to the leaders of powerful countries like the US. … “I’m not saying that [Bush’s] claim that torture evidence prevented terror attacks has no credibility whatsoever, but no evidence has been presented.”

“Waterboarding is torture; torture is illegal under international law,” said Amnesty International’s Steve Ballinger. “So President Bush’s statement is an admission that a crime has been committed."

Definitive proof! A former British government minister disputes the claim. Done deal!

The Brandon Five · 11-10-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by IllegalContact

since its been a day and nobody seems interested in responding, I feel guilty enough to give you some validation.

so if they didn't campaign against him, he would not be talking this way now?

gotcha........I was just checking to see how people differentiate between right and wrong.

I'd like to waterboard you......but just for fun...maybe get you to have visions of orange plumes

So much love on this board for people who want to behead them.

chicowalker · 11-10-2010, 09:03 AM

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So much love on this board for people who want to behead them.

Right, and people who think waterboarding is acceptable in certain instances must all be racist animals who have no regard for other humans.

JackBauer · 11-10-2010, 09:23 AM

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So much love on this board for people who want to behead them.

So much love for people who assign glib and disingenuous arguments to those who, gasp, have the audacity to oppose torture.

The Brandon Five · 11-10-2010, 09:39 AM

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So much love for people who assign glib and disingenuous arguments to those who, gasp, have the audacity to oppose torture.

Yup. So opposed to torture that they wanted to keep Saddam in power.

It's a black and white issue. Except when it's not, right?

JackBauer · 11-10-2010, 10:42 AM

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Yup. So opposed to torture that they wanted to keep Saddam in power.

It's a black and white issue. Except when it's not, right?

Just keep drawing a moral equivalency between us and and everyone else. Some day you might convince someone with more than a handful of functional braincells. And yes, for the United States, torture ought to be a black and white issue.

As far as I know, no one wanted to keep Saddam in power. However the cost of removing him outweighed the benefits, and still does to this day.

TBradyOwnsYou · 11-10-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

they campaigned against me. So I don’t mind going back and looking at ‘em. So I don’t have any hestitation whatsoever.[/b]

My man!

Yes, that sounds like a real straight shooter there...

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

for those of you on this board who are FOOLISH enough to believe that torture saved any american lives:

ThinkProgress Former British Government Minister Disputes Bush’s Claim That Waterboarding Foiled Terror Plots In Britain

“I don’t think there was any doubt there were real plots,” Mr Howells told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. “Where I doubt what President Bush has said is that this, what we regard as torture, actually produced information which was instrumental in preventing those plots coming to fruition. I’m not convinced of that."

“There is no point having international justice for petty African dictators if you can’t apply it to the leaders of powerful countries like the US. … “I’m not saying that [Bush’s] claim that torture evidence prevented terror attacks has no credibility whatsoever, but no evidence has been presented.”

“Waterboarding is torture; torture is illegal under international law,” said Amnesty International’s Steve Ballinger. “So President Bush’s statement is an admission that a crime has been committed."

Um, where is the proof?

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

Just keep drawing a moral equivalency between us and and everyone else. Some day you might convince someone with more than a handful of functional braincells. And yes, for the United States, torture ought to be a black and white issue.

As far as I know, no one wanted to keep Saddam in power. However the cost of removing him outweighed the benefits, and still does to this day.

Well, torture is a funny thing. If done improperly (like what most people think of when you say torture, ie: a Saw movie, Hostel, etc...) it generally does you more harm than good as the interigator. However, things like waterboarding and other tactics used by the US have been shown to be effective and have ZERO lasting physical effects. That being said, some people think once we capture someone we automatically stick them under the faucet. That is simply untrue. Having been involved in the capture of insurgents, I can guarantee you they are treated with the upmost respect (way, way too much in my opinion) and 99% of the time, unless they are an HVT, they get released shortly anyway to try and kill us another day.