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***Patters*** · #21 11-21-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by scott c

They do arrest outlaws with guns Patters.........

You're still missing the point. Sometimes there is not evidence to prosecute the suspect, but if there was a gun law that would be enough to at least get the person off the street for awhile.

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Originally Posted by scott c

but then put them back on the streets later that day............ to find another gun.........outlaws don't follow any rules or regulations.......... jeez,you just dont get it.......

Exactly my point, since they don't follow rules, sometimes it's in the interest of the community to create laws that make it more difficult for them. An honest persona carrying a gun illegally is not likely to be caught, and a dishonest person carrying a gun illegally is far more likely to be caught. Get it?

Real World · #22 11-21-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

As I said, in high-crime areas it may make sense to outlaw guns so as to more easily arrest those with guns. It's a way of stopping crime before it happens. While it's true that that approach could result in some innocent law-abiding people being arrested, that would only happen if somehow police became aware they were in possession of a gun. But, where the law serves a purpose is when the police have a suspect, but lack evidence. If the suspect has a gun, s/he can then be arrested.

Also, I'm all for punishing criminals, but punishing criminals does not stop the crime that has already happened. The goal should be to prevent crime in the first place -- through education, jobs, mental health programs, drug abuse programs, etc. Crime is a reflection of problems in our society. We should correct those problems.

As far as fleabassist's point about "giving the idiots" rights, in our system of justice, a person is innocent until proven guilty, so you have to give him/her rights.

You're logic is retarded at best. So, you want to ban guns, so that you can arrest anyone who has one. Hmmm...how do you know when someone has them? After a crime is committed right? That's one way. Another would be when you search someone for some (hopefully) legal reason. Well, we do that now with the constitutional right in effect. Loser criminals, banned or not, will find guns period. All you need to do is enforce the laws that exist. Put people who unlawfully have a weapon in jail for a long, long time. Banning weapons changes none of that.

QuiGon · #23 11-21-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

They're messing with our constitution again, the bastards want your gun but the "poor victim of racism and bigotry gang banger" will keep his.

We want freedom.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court said Tuesday it will decide whether the District of Columbia can ban handguns, a case that could produce the most in-depth examination of the constitutional right to "keep and bear arms" in nearly 70 years.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

She must be just another typical NRA white southern radical gun owning, deer shooting hunter... right..? Oh no wait... never mind...

Real World · #24 11-21-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scott c

They do arrest outlaws with guns Patters.........but then put them back on the streets later that day............to find another gun.........outlaws dont follow any rules or regulations..........jeez,you just dont get it.......

It's banana brain logic at it's best.

fleabassist1 · #25 11-21-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

As I said, in high-crime areas it may make sense to outlaw guns so as to more easily arrest those with guns. It's a way of stopping crime before it happens. While it's true that that approach could result in some innocent law-abiding people being arrested, that would only happen if somehow police became aware they were in possession of a gun. But, where the law serves a purpose is when the police have a suspect, but lack evidence. If the suspect has a gun, s/he can then be arrested.

Also, I'm all for punishing criminals, but punishing criminals does not stop the crime that has already happened. The goal should be to prevent crime in the first place -- through education, jobs, mental health programs, drug abuse programs, etc. Crime is a reflection of problems in our society. We should correct those problems.

As far as fleabassist's point about "giving the idiots" rights, in our system of justice, a person is innocent until proven guilty, so you have to give him/her rights.

In high crime areas you already CAN be arrested for carrying a gun without a permit. People who commit the crimes do not have the license to carry the gun. High crime areas are usually gang bangers and drug lords.

I'm all for stopping the crime before it happens. How do you do that? You go after the gun smuggling, the drug lords, the gangs. You don't just ban all guns. If you ban guns the law abiding citizens not only could possibly be prosecuted - when a criminal breaks into your house you are defenseless and if you defend yourself with a gun your breaking the law.

And sure, they are innocent until proven guilty... let me refraise:
if you are found guilty of a gun crime then you should be executed. Don't let them go on bond... don't give them life sentence... don't give them plea bargains...

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Good post (As usual RW

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Originally Posted by Real World

You're logic is retarded at best. So, you want to ban guns, so that you can arrest anyone who has one. Hmmm...how do you know when someone has them? After a crime is committed right? That's one way. Another would be when you search someone for some (hopefully) legal reason. Well, we do that now with the constitutional right in effect. Loser criminals, banned or not, will find guns period. All you need to do is enforce the laws that exist. Put people who unlawfully have a weapon in jail for a long, long time. Banning weapons changes none of that.

***Harry Boy*** · #26 11-21-2007, 11:33 AM

Gang Bangers & Other Scumbags support stricter gun laws and consfication, it's a terrible outrageous act of violence when some bloodthirsty old variety store owner or some women who is protecting herself shoots and kills one of these poor unfortunate people who are trying to Rob & Kill them, after all some of these (scumsuckers) have no fathers, their mothers are whores, their uncle molested them, their great grandmother was raped by a slave owner, their dog was run over by a rich white guy, they have lived in poverty all of their lives and they never had a Xmas Tree or any toys to play with when they were kids.

We have to put a stop to these senseless killings and get the guns out of the hands of those savage variety store owners, imagine how many scumbags they have killed that we never hear about.

Dear Jesus And God, "please don't let these crazy law abiding citizens kill any more of those f-cking scummy murdering rat bastards, please God"
Amen.

QuiGon · #27 11-21-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Real World

You're logic is retarded at best. So, you want to ban guns, so that you can arrest anyone who has one. Hmmm...how do you know when someone has them? After a crime is committed right? That's one way. Another would be when you search someone for some (hopefully) legal reason.

Good gravy, could you imagine the sh*tstorm that would ensue if such a policy were ever enacted..? Policemen going into high crime areas but searching citizens for guns without any probable cause..? The race baiters would have a field day with the "profiling" that would go on...

***Harry Boy*** · #28 11-21-2007, 11:57 AM

Roxbury Mass:
Many times after a shooting the people in Roxbury demand more Police Protection, then when the Police do increase their presence and start catching the Dirtbag Shooters and slap them around a little the same people that were yowling for more Police start screaming about Racism and Police Brutality.

The City Of Cambridge is going through this right now, they are having more and more "Shootings" and the people in the shooting area are blubbering for the Police to "do something" then when the Police "do something" they start yelling "racism"

The people that were screaming for the cops to do something are also the same people that will say "I ditn't see nutten" when asked to testify against the bastards that are shooting up their neighborhood.
F-ck Them, let them live in their sh!t.

Real World · #29 11-21-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

You're still missing the point. Sometimes there is not evidence to prosecute the suspect, but if there was a gun law that would be enough to at least get the person off the street for awhile.

Exactly my point, since they don't follow rules, sometimes it's in the interest of the community to create laws that make it more difficult for them. An honest persona carrying a gun illegally is not likely to be caught, and a dishonest person carrying a gun illegally is far more likely to be caught. Get it?

This is what I mean by extremists. I'm a pro-gun control individual. I think people should be trained in gun safety, have back ground checks, have a waiting period for their weapon, and should be licensed. I'm all for that, and any other sensible regulations. It's people like you, and the flip side whackos who want a .357 to be available next to the Twinkies at a 7-Eleven, who ruin things for everybody. There are laws that are desgined to keep these people off the streets. There is supposed to be a 1 year mandatory for possession. Plus, what evidence are you talking about? If a cop catches a criminal, and he has a weapon on him unlawfully, then what evidence do you need? Hello, he was caught red handed. The last part makes ZERO sense at all. So because criminals BREAK the rules, we're going to implement rules that punish those who actually do obey them.

Real World · #30 11-21-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by QuiGon

Good gravy, could you imagine the sh*tstorm that would ensue if such a policy were ever enacted..? Policemen going into high crime areas but searching citizens for guns without any probable cause..? The race baiters would have a field day with the "profiling" that would go on...

From what I've read, that's the angle most lawyers take when defending criminals from an indictment of unlawful possession. They attack the search as being illegal. This country is upside down, and people who think spending more money, or banning everything, is the answer, just don't get it.

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