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Criminals don't care about laws thats why they're criminals, the Gang Bangers would love to see a Law that would take the "good guys" gun away that would mean the Gang Banger and the Scumsucker that comes through your bedroom window at 3:00 AM won't have to worry about anybody shooting his filthy face off, BUT, he'll have his little gun.

THE BAD GUYS WANT THIS LAW PUT INTO EFFECT IT MEANS LESS GUNS THAT MIGHT SHOOT THEM.

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If the approach was as simplistic as you describe, you'd be right, but actually it's more involved. By outlawing guns, you can then easily arrest suspects just for having guns. The idea is to stop crime before it happens, not the idiotic right-wing way of letting the crime happen (even encouraging it by protecting the criminal's right to have guns) and then punishing the criminal. The liberal idea is to save lives; the neocon idea is to punish cirminals at all costs, even if it means giving them the means to commit crimes. It's the same idiotic idea that neocons had in Iraq. Let's stop the terrorists from coming to the US by giving them Americans to kill in Iraq.
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I suppose if we look at gangs and individuals as a well regulated militia, then the DC law would be unconstitutional. Hopefully, though, the SC will not be as ridiculous as the right wing, and will instead evaluate the law in light of current reality. Hand guns should not be outlawed nationwide, but there are areas where it probably makes sense to restrict them in order to reduce crime. One has to believe that forefathers had common sense.
That makes no sense at all. All you're doing by banning hand guns is eliminating law abiding, legally seaking citizens from having them. A criminal will aquire arms regardless. It's a senseless, stupid, and unconstitutional policy. Again, I'm all for gun control, and sensible regulation, but this law is flat out wrong.
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That's the typical right wing way. Let's not try to stop crime before it happens. Let's simply punish the criminal. A lot of good that does the victim!
What crime Patters? At least 6 of my friends have licenses to carry a concealed weapon. At least 15 of my friends and relatives have rifles and shotguns. None of them have every committed a crime, with, or without their guns. By banning them, all you're doing is preventing law abiding citizens from their constitutional right to have them. When a person drives drunk and kills someone, do we ban alchohol altogether?
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If the approach was as simplistic as you describe, you'd be right, but actually it's more involved. By outlawing guns, you can then easily arrest suspects just for having guns. The idea is to stop crime before it happens, not the idiotic right-wing way of letting the crime happen (even encouraging it by protecting the criminal's right to have guns) and then punishing the criminal. The liberal idea is to save lives; the neocon idea is to punish cirminals at all costs, even if it means giving them the means to commit crimes. It's the same idiotic idea that neocons had in Iraq. Let's stop the terrorists from coming to the US by giving them Americans to kill in Iraq.
We should ban alchohol. Bring back Prohibition.

You can put arsewipes who commit crimes with illegal weapons in jail for life if you want. You can actually enforce the 1 year mandatories for carrying an unregistered firearm. The problem, as is the case with virtually everything, is enforcement. We don't need to ban didly, since it's not law abiding, registered owners who are the problem. It's the loser criminals. It's sad to see how quickly some people will piss on constituitonal rights.
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If the approach was as simplistic as you describe, you'd be right, but actually it's more involved. By outlawing guns, you can then easily arrest suspects just for having guns. The idea is to stop crime before it happens, not the idiotic right-wing way of letting the crime happen (even encouraging it by protecting the criminal's right to have guns) and then punishing the criminal. The liberal idea is to save lives; the neocon idea is to punish cirminals at all costs, even if it means giving them the means to commit crimes. It's the same idiotic idea that neocons had in Iraq. Let's stop the terrorists from coming to the US by giving them Americans to kill in Iraq.
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That's the typical right wing way. Let's not try to stop crime before it happens. Let's simply punish the criminal. A lot of good that does the victim!
1. If the zany liberals wanted to protect victims so much they would enforce the death penalty. Less gun chargers if people know they will be killed for it. Enforce the guilty by association law and arrest everyone responsible for the shooting. The gun dealer, the shooter, the mobster who ordered the hit...

ENFORCE THE DAMN LAWS INSTEAD OF GIVING IDIOTS RIGHTS...
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They have all the laws they need right now to deal with "Scum & Guns" they just won't enforce them and if some prosecutor or cop does try to enforce the existing law the bawling blubbering liberal civil liberty rats want the Cop & Prosecutor put in prison.

Go after that Baggy Pant Jive A$s Gang Banger thats out on the street killing his brothers everynight, it's not the gun the loons should be going after it's the slimey creep that pulls the trigger that should be eliminated.

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Here's how the Massachusetts Moonbats handle criminals, what we need in this country is a Muslim President, Congress, Senate and Supreme Court if we did have a Muslim Govt this guy would have been lashed, his teeth would have been removed along with his feet then he would hve been Stoned To Death and this young women and her husband would still be alive to enjoy tomorrows sunrise.

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As I said, in high-crime areas it may make sense to outlaw guns so as to more easily arrest those with guns. It's a way of stopping crime before it happens. While it's true that that approach could result in some innocent law-abiding people being arrested, that would only happen if somehow police became aware they were in possession of a gun. But, where the law serves a purpose is when the police have a suspect, but lack evidence. If the suspect has a gun, s/he can then be arrested.

Also, I'm all for punishing criminals, but punishing criminals does not stop the crime that has already happened. The goal should be to prevent crime in the first place -- through education, jobs, mental health programs, drug abuse programs, etc. Crime is a reflection of problems in our society. We should correct those problems.

As far as fleabassist's point about "giving the idiots" rights, in our system of justice, a person is innocent until proven guilty, so you have to give him/her rights.
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As I said, in high-crime areas it may make sense to outlaw guns so as to more easily arrest those with guns. It's a way of stopping crime before it happens. While it's true that that approach could result in some innocent law-abiding people being arrested, that would only happen if somehow police became aware they were in possession of a gun. But, where the law serves a purpose is when the police have a suspect, but lack evidence. If the suspect has a gun, s/he can then be arrested.

Also, I'm all for punishing criminals, but punishing criminals does not stop the crime that has already happened. The goal should be to prevent crime in the first place -- through education, jobs, mental health programs, drug abuse programs, etc. Crime is a reflection of problems in our society. We should correct those problems.

As far as fleabassist's point about "giving the idiots" rights, in our system of justice, a person is innocent until proven guilty, so you have to give him/her rights.
They do arrest outlaws with guns Patters.........but then put them back on the streets later that day............to find another gun.........outlaws dont follow any rules or regulations..........jeez,you just dont get it.......
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