Real World

Appologist, excusist, talk out of my azz america at it's best. ZERO accountability. You're honestly saying that lazy POS scumbags should get something from hard working, accountable, self-providing americans. This is why so many despise the far left. It's your fault Turd, don't you see. You're responsible to provide for your family, AND some lazy POS who doesn't want to work for a living. Heck, even when we find the lazy, fraudulent "players" of the system, we need to give them "shelters and the minimum necessary to survive so I don't have to interact with them". This type of ideology is a huge reason why this country is imploding.

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Real World

give the small number of sane, otherwise healthy lazy bums, shelters and the minimum necessary to survive so I don't have to interact with them

If I might add, this is a perfect example of moonbat america. Everyone has to pay "so I don't have to interact with them". Good old caring Patters, who's quick to brand anyone who utters a syllable against walfare selfish, doesn't want to deal with the welfare folk. I want you to pay for everyone else, but keep them the F away from me. Just pour money at the problem, and let someone else deal with it. Oh, the problem is now worse, well, how about taking more money from everyone at gun point then? Just remember though, keep them the bleep away from me!

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Patters

RW, let's take the lazy bum, the guy who's sane and refuses to do anything. (In my opinion, anyone like that is not sane, but for argument's sake, let's say some of them are sane.) As I see it, these are the options: put them in jail (which costs around $30k+/year), risk forcing them into crime, allow them to beg (which would reduce property values, which is important to some people), or give them an absolute minimum provided they behave. Are there other choices? Doesn't it make more sense to give them a bed in a shelter, food stamps, and $50/month, rather than spend $30k to put them in jail. Explain your logic to me.


You're not offering a solution. You're just complaining. There's a real problem, and you need a solution. It's not an ideological issue, except to you because you refuse to deal with the practical aspects. What is the best practical way to deal with lazy bums?

I don't want to interact with them, but I do all the time. At the same time, if we do nothing for these people, it seems to me that some of them will find no choice but to turn to crime, and I find it quite embarrassing for my country when a group of tourists sees a bum going through a garbage can for food or empty bottles. Many people help them, but if it wasn't for the state help, these people would probably be more desperate.

Harry Boy

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Turd Furguson

Give Patters credit, at least he had the balls to say it. I personally dont want to interact with them either. I want my neighborhood to be free of scumbag welfare people as well.

Who doesnt want to live in a nice neighborhood and have their streets free and clear of hobos and bums looking for handouts?

Harry Boy

Bums have also changed, they don't "beg" anymore the bastards "demand".

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Patters

In Harvard Square there seems to be an unwritten law. As long as the homeless are polite, they can ask for change. It's kind of annoying because there are really too many of them, and I'm not going to give to every one of them and not going to give every day, either. I mostly give to the ones who sell Spare Change newspaper, because at least that's some kind of a job and deserves to be acknowledged. I assume one of the reasons they are not too aggressive is that they are not starving thanks to food stamps or some other kind of aid.

Real World

OMG you really aren't that bright a guy.

You don't give them sh1t, and you let them fend for themsleves. Sure, some will end up in jail, some on the streets. Others will resort to burdening family, while some others will wake the bleep up and actually work for a living. You'd be surprised what people do when no one will do it for them. If you don't like that, then you're free to donate your own time and money to help the cause. Oh, I almost forget, you don't want to be personally burdened.

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Well, why don't you give everyday? You seem to have no problem forcing everyone else to give daily.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897