patsfan13

Most cheating from the left, wonder how much goes unnoticed nationally as elections are corrupted by the left:

Texas SEIU Member Registers 23,207 Fraudulent Voters &laquo Publius Forum

Wonder how much play this will get from the MSM?

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Real World

It's simply unacceptable. Anyone who tries to committ any form of voter fraud, should be locked up behind bars for a long time, and made an example of. Voting is what makes this country what it is. It should be protected to the hardest, and highest standing of the law.

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patsfan13

People should have to show a picture ID to vote.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

From one biased news source to another:

Right Wing Foments Voter Fraud Conspiracies, Hatches ‘Voter Caging’ Plot To Suppress Minority Votes In WI

Documents and audio recordings released yesterday by One Wisconsin Now document an apparent plot by the Wisconsin Republican Party, Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity (aka Fight Back Wisconsin), and various other tea party groups to suppress votes from minorities and students in this year’s elections using a well-documented — and illegal— practice known as “voter caging.” The alleged plot offers fresh evidence that long-discredited right-wing conspiracy theories about massive voter fraud supposedly perpetrated by minorities and others remain alive and well in both the official GOP establishment and its tea party base.

“Voter caging” is a means of voter suppression and intimidation that involves sending mail to a list of voters, compiling a list of mail pieces returned as undeliverable, and then challenging those voters at the polls or otherwise attempting to remove them from the voter rolls. The mere process of challenging voters can intimidate from voting even if they are eligible, cause long lines to form at polling places that will then discourage others from voting, and may result in eligible voters casting provisional ballots which stand a high likelihood of not being counted in the final tally.

Think Progress Right Wing Foments Voter Fraud Conspiracies, Hatches ?Voter Caging? Plot To Suppress Minority Votes In WI

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

And they do in many states.

I'm surprised to find you on this side of the aisle, 13. It's all about States Rights vs BIG GOVERNMENT. You're usually against the Feds making regulations which then apply to all the states and all in favor of the states being able to pass individual state laws which work best for them.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

Real World

I think this is one of those greyish questions that kind of twists the lines between the constitution, states rights, and the fed. Some critics claim that requiring ID is unconstitutional, because it places an "undue burden" on voters. In Indiana that was the case I think. Where it's grey is that voters elect candidates in national elections. So while Indiana may not want ID's in their elections, does that mean they can not require them for federal elections as well? It's an interesting discussion IMO. I personally like the idea of showing ID, cuz it means voters are who we thought they were.

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Patters

The hyperventilating of the article notwithstanding--"union thugs"--it's pretty obvious that there's more to the story here. No doubt among all those ballots there are some true frauds, but it's also clear that there are others were were simply not filled out properly or are being judged with bias. Sounds like Republicans are trying to block minority voting. Nothing new there.

Tax assessor, nonprofit spar over Harris voter rolls | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

IcyPatriot

Thread going according to the usual pattern.

Discovery - attempted discussion - deflection - race card.

Patters

It's the problem when the initial link gives away its bias with the term "union thugs," and in fact there are only three principle possibilities:

- Houston Votes engaged in rampant fraud
- Republicans are engaging in discrimination
- Some combination of the above.

Given that, the pattern of this thread makes sense, but if you consider my post as playing the race card, you are simply saying we should ignore that possibility even though it's part of the story. Why should we do that? Do you think the idea that Texas Republicans are engaged in discrimination is an impossibility?

patsfan13

Well the republicans didn't turn in > 23,000 fraudulent voter registration cards.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."