chicowalker

Like it or not, the Republicans have been the "conservatives" in the nation.

There is no small-government party, but the Republicans were the ones pretending to be just that.

Obama has done a poor job. He expanded government even beyond what I expected (and I voted for him knowing that he was very liberal), he has been weak on social issues and he has shown poor judgment, rushing to judgment on matters where a calm thoughtful approach may have served him well and being circumspect when quicker action, or at least words, may have been better.

chicowalker

On the first part: actually, my response to your post didn't condemn you posting those jokes at all. Before I formed a judgment, I wanted to know where you were coming from.

My criticism of your jokes came after your comment to mrs. Those 2 coupled together (plus you later essentially calling her a similar name) were what I took -- and still take -- to be unacceptable on this board.

I think there's a big difference between what is acceptable among a group of friends and what is acceptable among strangers, acquaintances or just out in public. Honestly, I don't know what gets somebody banned here if what you said in multiple posts yesterday is permitted.

Re the 2nd, I'm pretty sure there was a very clear reason I didn't answer your question, which is why I'm asking which thread.

Assuming that was you, you've either forgotten that part or are deliberately omitting it now.

PatriotsReign

But Chico, our LAWS are fine. It is the interpretation of them as well as problems with jury's decisions that are the problem.

I correctly pointed out that Sharia law MAKES IT LEGAL for men to beat their wives. Wives in the USA have every protection they need in our laws, however imperfect they may be.

Please show me the U.S law that allows for spouses to be raped. That comparison you made was ridiculous.

THAT was my point.

So, do you condemn Sharia law? I absolutely do.

Real World

Seriously dude? That's classless pal.

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chicowalker

Of course I do, as I've already stated in this thread.

As for US laws, I believe that there are still states that treat spousal rape with more lenience than other rape.

Do you know how recently spousal rape was legal in many states?

Real World

Huh?

Bingo.

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Real World

Wrong chico. The dumb down that is US politics has labeled the Republican Party as "conservative", just as it is now labelling the Democratic Party as "liberal". You can't be conservative if you grow gubmit, and blow up budgets. Fortunately, the voting public, by way of the Tea Party movement, is seeing that, and pointing it out, by voting out fonies. Out go fake so-called "conservatives", who have done nothing but expand government. In come people they percieve to be fiscally sane, smaller government, balance the budget types. Just because someone calls themselves a conservative, or the media labels them as one, it doesn't mean that they are. I think Dems will face the same cleansing of their ranks issue, after these next two elections shake up their party.

So I take it the answer to my follow up question, is no, they haven't?

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Mrs.PatsFanInVa

Yanno, call me crazy, but I don't think this one's all that funny, either.

There is one difference, however, in this one you're mocking someone or something specific - you're not saying all Catholics are child molesting maniacs, you're saying priests in specific are child molesting maniacs. It's not generic, it's specific. Your Muslim "jokes" on the other hand, were about ALL Muslim men and ALL Muslim women.

I don't expect you'll see the difference and it doesn't really matter, anyhow. They're all in bad taste and they're all unfair in one way or another.

chicowalker

This is why I regularly ask the question of what the Republican party is when people speak of RINOs.

If you want to say the Republicans aren't conservatives because they've been for big government, too, I have no quibble with that, as it is their own label, and I agree with your statement of the facts.

It just means there is no conservative party in the US and there hasn't been one in decades.

As for your last question, I thought my answer was clearly no -- im on my phone and can't see what I'm responding to once I start typing, so apologies if that was unclear.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

You think so, really?

Spousal rape was legal in all 50 states until the late 1970s. It remained legal in some states until the mid-90s. It is still prosecuted (WHEN it's prosecuted) under far different standards than any other type of rape and the punishment, if found guilty, is significantly less.


Until the late 1970's, most states did not consider spousal rape a crime. Typically, spouses were exempted from the sexual assault laws. For example, until 1993 North Carolina law stated that "a person may not be prosecuted under this article if the victim is the person's legal spouse at the time of the commission of the alleged rape or sexual offense unless the parties are living separate and apart."

While spousal rape is now considered a crime, victims often have to overcome additional legal hurdles to prosecution not present for other victims of rape. These include time limits for reporting the offense, a requirement that force or threat of force be used by the offender, and the fact that some sexual assault offenses still preclude spousal victims.

In seven states, rape of a spouse is a separate crime from rape where the victim and offender are unmarried. For example, in West Virginia, spousal sexual assault is defined as unconsented sexual penetration or sexual intrusion of the perpetrator's spouse. In addition, the perpetrator must use forcible compulsion or a deadly weapon or inflict serious bodily injury upon anyone. This offense is a felony, punishable by imprisonment for two to ten years. The same acts against a person who is not married to the perpetrator result in a sentence of ten to thirty-five years. An example of a similar statute comes from California.The offenses of rape and spousal rape mostly parallel each other, but with some differences For instance, a person who commits non-spousal rape by means of force, violence, duress, menace, or fear of immediate and unlawful bodily injury may not be sentenced to probation or suspended sentence. However, this prohibition does not apply to those who use the same means to commit spousal rape.

While all states recognize spousal rape as a crime, still, there are ways in which spousal rape is treated differently than non-spousal rape. One difference in some states is a reporting period which is shorter for spousal rape than for other crimes. Another way that some states treat rape of a spouse is treated differently than non-spousal rape is the requirement that force or threat of force must be used by the spouse.

Still, in many states, there are some offenses which are unavailable to victims who are married to the offender. In some, offenses which involve sexual acts other than penetration are precluded for spouses. In Ohio, the offense of "sexual battery" does not apply to a spouse, and the offense of "rape" by the use of a drug or intoxicant which impairs the victim's ability to resist only applies to a spouse who is living separate and apart from the victim.

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