QuiGon

"I have far more respect for men like Eisenhower than for uncourageous tools like Tibbett (sic.)" - Patters

Well, now, let's look at the shameful, cowardly life that is Paul Tibbets...

- Born 2/23/1915
- Just after his 22nd birthday, enlisted as a flying cadet in the Army Air Corps.
- Commission as 2nd Lt in 1938
- By 1942, he was Squadron Commander of the 340th Bomb Squadron, 97th Bombardment Group
- Flew 25 missions in B-17s, including the first American Flying Fortress raid against occupied Europe.
- Flew bombardment missions in support of the North African invasion.
- September, 1944: Assigned to Manhattan Project
- On August 6, 1945, Col. Tibbets and crew delivered the weapon from the Enola Gay (named after Tibbets' mother). They were lucky to survive when the first shock waves hit their plane, a full 11 miles away from the city.
- Retired as Brig. General
- Recipient, Distinguished Service Cross, Distinguished Flying Cross, Purple Heart, Legion of Merit
- Died November 1, 2007, in his home in Columbus, OH

Yes, we can clearly see how Paul Tibbets has shamed himself, his family and his country by his reprehensible, deplorable life.


The following sources were primarily used to compile the above:
http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/hiroshima.htm
http://www.theenolagay.com/man.html

Patters

We were talking about dropping the nuclear bomb. QuiGon, I think most people realize I meant he was moral coward for agreeing to do that.

QuiGon

You said (direct quote, your words, taken 100% in context): "I have far more respect for men like Eisenhower than for uncourageous tools like Tibbett (sic.)"

Be a man (for once in your life) and stand by a statement you made. Though I don't blame you for backing down since that could be one of the single most reprehensible things ever written in this fourm...

He's just another one of those "uncourageous tools" that fought (and in many cases, died) for the very freedoms you take for granted on a daily basis. Once again we see how the typical liberal has absolutely zero shame.

reflexblue

He was doing his job under exstream circumstances the best he knew how. And 60 years after the fact YOU can't judge his morales. You don't know what YOU would have done in the same circumstances. Its easy for us sitting in front of a computer waiting for a big football game to make judgements about someones actions in hindsight that they were immoral, but I've heard Tibbets interviewed several times and he stated that he wasn't proud,nor found any joy in killing 80,000 Japanese. But he felt at ease knowing that he potentialy saved tens of thousands of American lives that would have been losT in an invasion.

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Patriot_in_NY

Sacrificing the few, to save the millions.......... yup, thats the very definition of a "moral coward".

Do you have the first idea of how many of not only our own boys we would have lost, but how many more Japanese civilians and soldiers would have been lost had we had to invade the mainland (and we would have).

It wasn't the destructive power of the A-bomb that made the difference (we killed more conventionally during the Tokyo fire-storm). It was the psychological difference it made. To speak so disrespectfully of a soldier that was "doing his job" during wartime shows 1) Your true distain for for military service and soldiers, or 2) your lack of historical perspective or knowledge.

Not that it matters a whit, but it's pretty disturbing to hear you said (and think) that.




R.I.P. Tibbits, you are a true American Hero, for risking your life in the service of your country. You are a far better person than many of us that sit here in judgement of your deeds.

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Patters

Well, I guess you misunderstood me. You're being childish.

QuiGon

Uh, no... I think everyone in this forum understands you quite clearly.

wistahpatsfan

Speak for yourself!

Harry Boy

A very sensible commonsense post but the Blame America New Democrats will disagree with every word of it, They make America "the bad guy" in everything America touches yet they continue to live here and enjoy "the freedom", I wonder where they would be today if Japan & Germany had won the war, I wonder how long the Japanese Government of 1943 would have tolerated Cindy Sheehan or Sean Penn?

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Patters

Wow, so you all think Eisenhower, Leahy, Nimitz, and others simply didn't know what they were talking about when they said using the nuclear bomb wasn't necessary? Perhaps you've been indoctrinated well our propaganda machine? I think I stand in good company with my point of view, and, IMHO, Tibbets could only have been a hero by refusing to drop the bomb.