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sdaniels7114 · 10-23-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

...frankly I don't think the outlawing of drugs has yielded any benefits.

There's something to be said about the stigma of going to jail and having a record for the rest of your life. That has to scare away some potential users. Most people don't get hooked on anything if they reach a certain age as a non-doper. I can't quantify that benefit or say that its superior to your idea, but there's some help from being able to lock someone up for possession. At the very least people tend to get detoxed in jail. Sure some stuff is available in prison; but not nearly the amount that's available outside.

***PressCoverage*** · 10-23-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fleabassist1

"The war on drugs". Thoughts about how to deal/what to do about whats going on with the drug problem in america?

THE FOLLOWING LINK CAN BE DISTURBING TO SOME VIEWERS. PROLLY' NOT APPROPRIATE FOR WORK.

You can go to this link or also on the left hand side click on full episodes and then coley. That one is intense.
http://www.aetv.com/videos/display.j...n_fullep_Jill1

well, we could start by opening a massive investigation into the CIA's role in importing drugs into the United States, as well as laundering hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy during the 70s, 80s and 90s... (Iran-Contra anyone?)... here's former L.A. narcotics officer Michael Ruppert confronting CIA director John Deutch about exactly that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg

as well as Ruppert's symposium on the matter...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...98324250484369

then we could discuss how the Taliban, for all their evils, completely disrupted and destroyed the poppy crop in Afghanistan, and how/why the crop is thriving once again since we "overthrew" the Taliban...

the "War on Drugs" was a complete rouge...

but we're not allowed to talk about that... in fact, people are made to disappear for talking about it...

Real World · 10-23-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Also, heroin certainly doesn't cause violence. In fact, the problem with it is that it has quite the opposite effect -- makes people want to chill out and do nothing. If it was legal, there would probably be less crime associated with getting it. And, while I've read too that pot can cause psychosis, I strongly suspect that controlling and regulating it would reduce the incidence of that. Also, the only person I ever knew who suffered from psychosis was a guy who smoked pot that turned out to be laced with angel dust (again a byproduct of it being illegal).

Heroin does push people to violence. I have a friend who's in jail because of heroin, and what he did while high on it.

Real World · 10-23-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

and if they don't want help they should be left to themselves in a supposedly free country.

Not when they're abusers, repeat offenders, and committers of crime.

wistahpatsfan · 10-23-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fleabassist1

Actually, reefer, being a hallucinating, can and HAS caused psychosis in some people triggering whatever lay there before.

Now, I'm not against it once in a while... but it HAS caused problems with some people

Reefer is NOT a "hallucinating". Believe me. Back in the day, I hoped it was, but it wasn't. After 20 years of experiments, it just kept failing to give me hallucinations, so I quit. Cold turkey, no problem or DT's.

Where do you get your information? Any links or examples?

wistahpatsfan · 10-23-2007, 07:37 PM

fleabassist1 · 10-23-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

Cannabis is not a hallucinogenic. And while their has been a few agenda-driven studies on Marijuana use and psychosis, there has only been a suggestion of a correlation not causation between the two. Many, like Ricky Williams for example, may use Marijauna to treat psychological disorders for its balancing effect which would explain the correlation.

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A mild hallucinogen, marijuana has some of alcohol’s depressant and disinhibiting properties. User reaction, however, is heavily influenced by expectations and past experience, and many first-time users feel nothing at all.

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

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tetrahydrocannabinol, marijuana, Mary Jane, pot, herb, weed, ganja, dope, dip dope, indica, grass, hashish, hash

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3407.htm

fleabassist1 · 10-23-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

Reefer is NOT a "hallucinating". Believe me. Back in the day, I hoped it was, but it wasn't. After 20 years of experiments, it just kept failing to give me hallucinations, so I quit. Cold turkey, no problem or DT's.

Where do you get your information? Any links or examples?

See my above post. If that wasn't enough for you:

http://naiveprogram.org/id12.html

http://www.discoveriesinmedicine.com...ucinogens.html

Also, most psychology books put Cannabis in the category with Hallucinagins.

***IcyPatriot*** · 10-23-2007, 09:28 PM

IMO (unmedical) ... I briefly played around with marijuana and always hallucinated on the sh#t. I knew people who lit up alot and never understood it ... me, i was totally useless on the sh#t. The funniest was at night, driving home after tuning up and seeing dead people hanging from the streetlights .... OUCH!!!

fleabassist1 · 10-23-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by F.B.N.

IMO (unmedical) ... I briefly played around with marijuana and always hallucinated on the sh#t. I knew people who lit up alot and never understood it ... me, i was totally useless on the sh#t.

When I "Used" to partake I "would" never hallucinate personally, but I have seen several friends who did. Two of my friends said they felt "Uncomfortable" and that they heard and saw things... and felt as if they where in a "Different dimension" ... and not the pot head "Holy crap im in a different dimension" ... the "Oh crap, he needs some water, some bread, and bed."