wistahpatsfan

There's no way a northern invasion of Iraq happens without the consent of the US. This is all part of the plan. Bush has heard Biden's plan for partition of Iraq and it appears that he might be thinking of it as a way ot for his party. Either that, or the White House is not paying attention to this impending invasion and, once again, is failing to take the Turks seriously. Meanwhile Condoi Rice is busy trying to broker a deal about the Palestinians by trying in vain to put together a "Summit" of the near east countries involved.

My guess is the latter. The White House will once again demonstrate their nearly complete incompetence in foreign affairs and diplomacy. Kurds take it up the arse again from American indifference...this time from a new American president who criticized the last one for doing the same thing.

Let the division of Iraq begin.

fleabassist1

Think congress will condemn them for Kurdish genocide in 100 years?

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Real World

The issue there is the PKK, which is a terrorist group. It's not the Kurds as whole necessarily, but you can see where the Kurds might not be doing enough to stop them from attacking Turkish targets and people. There's a sizable Kurdish population living in Turkey, and if anyone remembers, Kurds were considered the largest ethnic group not to have it's own country. The Turks don't want any of the Kurds living inside it's borders to get any idea's of pulling a Chechnya. The PKK wants to do just that. You can totally see where Turkey is coming from. The problem here is that both sides are "allies" (not the PKK, but Iraqi Kurds and Turkey), and we need both of them on our good side to help with current issues of importance. Ultimately, if the US doesn't get the Kurds to handle the PKK, Turkey will. A difficult decision has to be made here. One that could piss one side off. I'd like to think the right choice would be to move against the PKK.

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Harry Boy

No Matter What Happens Anywhere In This World Or In Our Galaxy Or For That Matter Anywhere In This F-cking Universe, It's "Bush's Fault"

George Bush Killed Jesus

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Turk

That is a very accurate description / analogy, RW.
If, we are all united in the war against terrorism, this is the time to prove it, to all allies.

Turk

Turkey will not invade N. Iraq.

As of this morning, they have crosssed the border and are on the attack, in N. Iraq, wiping out terrorist camps. Once this mission is accomplished and the necessary message is sent/received, they will retreat.

Don't forget the 1.5 million Iraqi Kurds that Turkey was a safe haven for, when Bush Sr. attacked Iraq and Saddam took revenge.
They were welcomed with open arms, fed, sheltered for almost two years, in Turkey. The problem is with PKK, not the Iraqi or Turkish Kurds.

Real World

I agree with you Turk, but my one point of contention is that crossing into Iraq is pretty much invading. I think they have every right to defend themselves mind you.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Real World

Generally speaking, I agree. The situation isn't an easy one, which I think is understandable, but the bottom line is that the PKK is a terrorist organization, and Turkey has the right to defend it's citizens. You'd like to see it resolved diplomatically, or peacefully, but we're talking terrorists here, and that usually is a hard sell.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Harry Boy

If this in any way HELPS AMERICA, Reid/Pelosi and the rest of those Democrat bastards will be against it.

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The "Genocide Thing" with the Armenians, why do some people still hold that against the Turkish people of today, it happened 95 years ago.

The Germans raised some hell with the Jews only 60 some years ago and we are told not to hold it against todays Germans.

The Japanese committed all kinds of barbaric acts against all kinds of people China & American and we are now told not to even call them "Japs".

Why do some in this country still condem todays Turks for something that happened almost a hundred years ago

Could this be called "Racism"

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