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Wildo7 · 10-12-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

What part of the article did you read that I didn't? Where does he trash the progress of the surge? Maybe I missed something, or read a different article, but he is directly reffering to the post war period when he was in control, and serious blunders like disbanding the army were made. This isn't a criticism we haven't seen before, and quite honestly, is pretty much an on point consensus view.

Wow are you reading into his specific words way too much. This tends to happen with people who are anti-war (not that being so is a bad thing mind you). His words are the point, and to insist that they are not is ridiculous. He did not say that invading Iraq was wrong, which he might very well feel BTW. He simply said that POST WAR planning was totally messed up. Again, this isn't something the vast majority of sensible people don't already know.

"He called current strategies — including the deployment of 30,000 additional forces earlier this year — a "desperate attempt" to make up for years of misguided policies in Iraq."

Wildo7 · 10-12-2007, 08:25 PM

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Another clueless drone................ read your history, you obviously don't have the first fukcing clue what you're talking about.

Way to go with the mindless BS yahoo link with news thats about a year old. By the way, Iraq is not longer a talking point for you pinheads. Get with the program

Not that you even made a point worht responding to in your namecalling rant, but this is the LEAD STORY on the DRUDGE REPORT right now, which is a right wing website. So apparently someone on your side thinks this is news. And one of the main reasons why people were against the invasion was that they knew, based on the religious etc. tensions in that country, a post war plan would never be successful.

www.drudgreport.com

Real World · 10-12-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

"He called current strategies — including the deployment of 30,000 additional forces earlier this year — a "desperate attempt" to make up for years of misguided policies in Iraq."

Um, so calling it a "desperate" attempt means it's failing? He is clearly saying that the current strat is a hail mary to fix what was fugged up a long time ago. He absolutely did not say whether or not that hail mary was intercepted, incomplete, or a touchdown. Again, you are seriously stretching his words, and attempting to make a point with them that clearly isn't there.

Real World · 10-12-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

Not that you even made a point worht responding to in your namecalling rant, but this is the LEAD STORY on the DRUDGE REPORT right now, which is a right wing website. So apparently someone on your side thinks this is news. And one of the main reasons why people were against the invasion was that they knew, based on the religious etc. tensions in that country, a post war plan would never be successful.

www.drudgreport.com

So what does that mean exactly? Since Drudge posted a link to it on his site, then it's something more than what it is? Again, he's not saying anything he, nor the vast majority of sensible people, have said before, or think today. Is it news? Well yes, but is it anything we don't already know? Nope.

Wildo7 · 10-12-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Um, so calling it a "desperate" attempt means it's failing? He is clearly saying that the current strat is a hail mary to fix what was fugged up a long time ago. He absolutely did not say whether or not that hail mary was intercepted, incomplete, or a touchdown. Again, you are seriously stretching his words, and attempting to make a point with them that clearly isn't there.

haha. right. nice rationalization. Please list one thing that the Bush administration has gotten right in terms of foreign policy. All you are doing is reshaping the argument. First there were WMD, then liberation, then it's the General's faults etc. What about Bush makes you support him. I really don't understand it? Please just admit to yourself that you voted for the worst President in American history. Whether you were misled by the media or whatever, it doesn't matter, just admit it to yourself and move on. If people in this country were more willing to do that we could actually have serious conversations and make progress instead of getting defesnive and defending utter nonsense.

Wildo7 · 10-12-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

So what does that mean exactly? Since Drudge posted a link to it on his site, then it's something more than what it is? Again, he's not saying anything he, nor the vast majority of sensible people, have said before, or think today. Is it news? Well yes, but is it anything we don't already know? Nope.

did I say it's anything you didn't already know? But it does further demonstrate the truly tragic disaster that is this administration.

Real World · 10-12-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

haha. right. nice rationalization. Please list one thing that the Bush administration has gotten right in terms of foreign policy. All you are doing is reshaping the argument. First there were WMD, then liberation, then it's the General's faults etc. What about Bush makes you support him. I really don't understand it?

Wildo, you're quickly sounding like NEM, Holy Diver, MMIkey, MMaverick, etc... when it comes to this war. Please tell me you're not like that. All I am doing is taking the direct words of the general, and applying them accordingly. You took his words to say that he thinks we never should have invaded, and that the surge is failing. He in no way says that. Now, you're getting into some rant about WMD's and foreign policy. If you want me to defend Bush's post war handling of Iraq, you're not. His post war planning was atrocious.

Real World · 10-12-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildo7

did I say it's anything you didn't already know? But it does further demonstrate the truly tragic disaster that is this administration.

Much better.

Wildo7 · 10-12-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Wildo, you're quickly sounding like NEM, Holy Diver, MMIkey, MMaverick, etc... when it comes to this war. Please tell me you're not like that. All I am doing is taking the direct words of the general, and applying them accordingly. You took his words to say that he thinks we never should have invaded, and that the surge is failing. He in no way says that. Now, you're getting into some rant about WMD's and foreign policy. If you want me to defend Bush's post war handling of Iraq, you're not. His post war planning was atrocious.

fair point. What I meant to convey was that it angers me that people have been called unpatriotic for criticism when the situation is so bad that even the top generals are speaking out publicly. He says "post-war mismanagement" but many of the items he points to were forseeable problems and reasons not to invade in the first place, and I still don't see why impeaching Bush/Cheney isn't the best option to get us out of this mess, and why the senate is wasting time voting on resolutions to condemn MoveOn.org for an ad posted that (apparently justifiably according to Sanchez) criticizes Patreaus.

ArmyPatsFan · 10-13-2007, 07:11 AM

Where does he criticize Patraeus again..since it is apparently justifiable? I must have missed it..can you point out where he said anything against the Soldier or our military leadership? BTW...the link is up on cnn front page now too.