maverick4

If this administration truly cared about freedom and democracy, it would be using all its resources to help Burma (now called Myanmar) pull off a revolution and regime change. However, it doesn't have oil so we could care less, proving that 'spreading freedom' is only an empty slogan:
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"Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma's ruling junta has revealed.

The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: "Many more people have been killed in recent days than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand."

Mr Win, who spoke out as a Swedish diplomat predicted that the revolt has failed, said he fled when he was ordered to take part in a massacre of holy men. He has now reached the border with Thailand. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...icle_id=484903

Fogbuster

Yeah, and a generation ago all the "peace lovers" screamed and demonstrated, smoked dope and had sex on the Capitol lawn, all in the name of "get out of Vietnam/SE Asia". Tricky Dick was "paranoid", you see.

So we did.

Then we found out the communists had taken one third of the population out of Phnom Penh, Cambodia, and killed them all with axes. Didn't even use bullets. Just hacked them to death.

How the "Killing Fields" were done. See the movie, at least.

But, oh how John Kerry, Frank Church, and Ronald Dellums and the blunt-smoking liberal-lefties screamed about our boys in 'nam!!!! You should have been there.



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DarrylS

Is this the voice of experience, or just blowing smoke again if I remember correctly you did not serve in Viet Nam.. I remember something completely different, that was a war that was fought by politicians inside of the beltway, a war that was tremendously unpopular.. a war that had very high death rates for our young men.. a war that had no sign of ever ending.. a war that cost us astronomically.. since then we have watched genocides all over the world with blinders on. Say what you will about SE asia and our withdrawal from it, but we are not responsible for that, if we were we are responsible for the genocide in other countries such as Rwanda...

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bmf31c

I may need history lesson, but Vietnam didn't have genocide going on did it? I'm asking seriously as I truly have never read anything along that lines. I understand what happened in Cambodia, but didn't think that really applied to Vietnam.

We (the world) stepped in against ethnic cleansing when it happened in Europe but are still sitting on the sidelines while Africa consumes itself.

Are we again standing on the sidelines because we don't want to hurt the feelings of the Chinese? They got over Hong Kong, they own Panama, they'll let diplomacy work. It's disheartening to see this. Men of God, peacefully protesting, murdered. Where is the UN?

Fogbuster

Cambodia had a total national policy of cultural purging of anyone whom the communists thought was even a potential threat: those who were educated beyond elementary school, professionals like doctors or dentists, even people who wore eye-glasses -- all were rounded up and sent to the jungles for summary execution. At least one-third of the population of Cambodia was destroyed, executed, in this way. Shades of Nazi Germany. This was done after the Khmer Rouge (communists) seized control of Cambodia. This is what the "Killing Fields" account is all about.

Vietnam was different. There were two nations set up after WWII, much like the two Koreas: North and South Vietnam. This partition took place, also like Korea, under the agreement made between Franklin Roosevelt and Josef Stalin.

Before this partitioning of Vietnam, that nation was called "Indochina", a territory governed by the French government as a colony of France. After WWII, the French allowed this partioning because they themselves were weakened due to their occupation by Nazi Germany; the Vichy government was in no position to argue about Vietnam/Indochina. So the Soviet took the north and the south was left with some residual French colonial business interests, such as the Michelin rubber industry (rubber tree plantations were a big part of the Indochina economy), with a skeleton military force.

The North first drove out the French, decided at Diem Biem Phu. The U.S. went in to try to hold South Vietnam from the advancing communist north, but found itself isolated in the U.N. and around the world. Nobody knew what to do about the growing world communist movement backed by the Soviet Union and China. So the U.S. sent in our military to try to defeat the menace, a force that was totally and openly supported by the Soviet Union.

Now, to get specific with your question: the communists used whatever methods they could to gain dominance over the South. They went into villages, found the local tribal chief or respected elder, took him out in the square and beheaded him in front of all the people. Often times the communists would first take the chief's wife and daughters and rape them in front of everybody, then cut their bellies open, and let them bleed to death. They announced that anybody who opposed them would meet a similar fate. If they could do this to the village chief, what could any lesser individual hope to do? Not much.

This local level terrorism, coupled with selected use of conventional military force against south Vietnam's and the U.S. conventional forces, eventually wore down any palpable opposition to Ho Chi Minh and his Soviet-backed communist forces.



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Harry Boy

There AE good wars and there are bad wars:

1 The good wars are the ones the democrats want us involved in.

2 The bad wars are the ones the republicans want us involved in

Thats how the Left Wing sees it.

LET THE UN HANDLE THE MONK SITUATION AMERICA IS BUSY RIGHT NOW.

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DarrylS

My response had to do with Foggie talking about how we should not have left viet nam, if we didn't we could have prevented the slaughter in Cambodia.. some how we are responsible for this.. there is a trend in what we get involved with Europeans and Mideast Oil... we do not want to become involved in the "dark continent" or with the "yellow people".

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Fogbuster

There's also the wars the Dems start us in -- like Vietnam and Korea -- then want to bail on when the going gets tough. When the Repubs come in to finish the job, the Dems are there obstructing the way, screaming bloody murder over "our dead". If the Dems were so concerned about "our dead" in wars, why do they go into wars in the first place? Harry Truman, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton (Serbia, the aspirin and baby formula factories in some unknown places, good but temporary cover for Monica's dress, though). Jimmy Cutter didn't like wars, so he just let the Soviets, their Cuban clients, and the Chinese take some 14 nations in his 4-year watch (like a lame "watch-dog", Jimmy watched 'em go in and take what ever they wanted). Oh, and then there was the U.S. embassy in Tehran that Jimmy let slip away.

Other than that -- and selling critical national security high-tech to China and Soviet Russia -- the Dems make great presidents.



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Harry Boy

When the democrats are running the country is there THIS much talk in Washington about "OIL" I don't seem to remember the Crucifiction Of Oil during the Sexy Clinton Years

Where was Haliburton during the nineties, I know they have been around for awhile and I know Cheney was involved with them but why didn't we hear about them, maybe we should be "bombing haliburton" what is this obsession the democrat haters have with Haliburton and Oil.

If some of you Democrat Haters don't like "OIL" DON'T USE IT.

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wistahpatsfan

Viet Nam was started and escalated by Democrats. A Republican got us out.