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http://youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU

Heres the video. What do you guy's think? Did the cops act accordingly or should they be locked up for police brutality?

Michael Savage says these cops should be arrested for police brutality.
I disagree with him however. I think they acted accordingly. He was allowed one question to John Kerry - and when asked to stop his rant he continued. When asked to leave he put up a fight and attempted to break away from the police several times.
Repub, Demo, Lib, or Neocon - you need to listen to the police - period.

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Real World

I'm a little mixed on this. I only saw the footage/coverage on Hardball the other day & only for a couple of minutes cuz I was busy. I was confused by Matthews and Shuster's reporting on it as some type of freedon of speech censorship issue from what I saw. Of course, then again it was Hardball, and that show has become more slanted over the last year. That being said, what I saw (I'm at work so I'll look at the youtube later) seemd to look like a college punk trying to make a name for himself. Does that mean he should hav been tasered? I dunno. I think cops cross the line alot, but that's just me. I guess when you consider all that's happened on University campus' over the last couple of years, and the fact that there was a Senator on the stage, a little more force is better than too little. Maybe they didn't need to, but I don't think it's the travesty people are trying to make it out to be. Clearly the kid was a punk trying to make a name for himself. I'm just ot sure being a punk is enough to warrant being tasered. One thing I do know, is that this wasn't an attack on free speech. How Hardball came to that conclusion is beyond me.

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BelichickFan

I agree with RW that he was a dumb ass punk looking to make a name for himself which he did. I have no problem with a taser being used if it was needed - the question I have is why 6 cops couldn't control him although he was a big guy. Bottom line for me, act like a punk get treated like a punk.

STFarmy

Per usual, I agree with you. It was clearly a smarmy college puke trying to make a name for himself. However, I don't think a tasering was warranted. It should never have gone that far. I don't think he quite rushed the stage, he just went over his alotted question time. They should have just dragged him out, he wasn't following the rules. A tasering wasn't necessary though. I don't really think it was a free speech issue.

Real World

Tasering is where the issue is. I think the idea behind doing it was that he wouldn't stop resisting, and tasering him would make him stop because of the discomfort it causes. Still though, I can't understand how Shuster and Matthews saw it as an attack on free speech.

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Real World

This kid is an idiot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lpMSNjXhhhg

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Real World

It's pretty sad when a dumby makes the most sense.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XdDiGierYMM

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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pats-blue

I am only quoting you because it is conveinent so this isn't in response directly to your post.

First for all of you that have never arrested anyone that is struggling like this maybe you should take a step back and realize you sdon't know what you are talking about.

Second if you watch the second video (the one taken with HIS camera misteriously has a cut in the video. The officers are telling him to put his hands behind his back and the have one cuff on him. He is flailing his other arm around and RESISTING being cuffedand yelling "get the ****** off me". He got a 2-second contact "tase" and WHAT HAPPENED? Oh he put his hand behind his back and was cuffed with no further incident.

Should they have used just physical force to get him cuffed? What if that broke his arm? Hurt his elbow? Really this is beyand rediculous. This is one of the exact reasons the Taser is for!

A few more points...

1. If he had done what the officers had asked him to do NOTHING would have happened.

2. When he decided to act like an AS* he still could have put his second hand behind his back like they REPEATEDLY told him to but he kept resisting...if he had done that...well know where this is going? THATS RIGHT HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT Tasered!

3. Last he was NOT tasered for speaking out of turn or for any free speech. He was tasered for resisting arrest and the Taser worked EXACTLY as it was supposed to as he was taken into custody after a 2 second contact tase.


I have been Tasered 6 times and it is not plesant but 3 seconds after it is over with.

I think everyone should look at the second video out there and realize this guy is an A hole period.

Officers are at a distinct disadvantage when arresting someone....

For example in Phoenix yesterday while trying to handcuff a suspect a 33 year old officer was pushed down and then shot in the face AND KILLED. Leaving behind a wife and two kids. Try doing that job. already police can not get enough applicants because no one wants to DO the job but everyone is gung ho to JUDGE when they have never even come close to walking in their shoes.

RIP Officer Nick Erfle.

http://odmp.org/officer.php?oid=19001

Harry Boy

The guy is an arrogant "College ***** Head" when the Cops had him on the floor they should have shot another Taser up his a$s.

Then they should have tasered John Fonda Kerry just for laughs

Where's Al & Jessie Jackoff

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Holy Diver

John Kerry is the b!tch in all of this. He should've spoke up, and taken control of the situation. After all, Kerry is a US Senator, with a microphone in his hands. He could've yelled at th ecops and the student to "stop".

A person has every right to be loud and ask annoying questions to a senator. The forum was wrong for cutting his mic and trying to rush him from asking further questions. This WHOLE situation could've been avoided, if they let this loud mouth ask his questions...let Kerry answer them with his usual line of BS and move the flunk ON!

this would've been a non-issue...his questions woudl've a non issue.

While watching the video, I can't help but look at the students sitting in thier seats and letting a fellow classmates be electricuted right in front of them. Nobody stood up, nobody asked the police to chill...nobody (especially the senator) dig a GAWD DARN THING!

thats the sad part.