He's right that there's something wrong. There's actually 2 "somethings" wrong here in the U.S.

1) Rampant illegal immigration
2) Ridiculously out of control malpractice lawsuits

ABCNews had a very interesting side-report last week when they reported Robin Roberts has breast cancer. They talked about how it is getting tougher and tougher for women to get mammograms these days. And why is that..? Because breast cancer is very difficult to detect, and every time a woman has breast cancer and gets a mammogram that doesn't make the detection, there are scumbag lawyers (like Princess John Edwards) lined up to sue the f*ck out of the doctor.

So, thanks to scumbag ambulance chasers like Princess Edwards, women are finding it harder and harder to have mammograms. It's easier for doctors to choose not do the procedure, then they can't get sued.

Aren't we the most obese country in the world? Anyone ever consider what effect being a lifetime lardazz has on a persons life expentency? Also, maybe having 2 parents having to work 2 & 3 jobs factors in too. If the government spent less, and thus taxed less, people here wouldn't have so suffer so much.

As for poor versus rich, another factor to consider is intelligent versus dumb. I'm not trying to say that poor people are dumb, and ruch people are not, but poorer people, generally speaking, would probably be less adept at taking care of themselves than rich people. Just one factor of many though.

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"A theory that explains everything, explains nothing"

Logic according to Patters. If only we had more abortions we wouldnt have such a high infant mortality rate.

only Patters could turn that article into a rant against Pro-Lifers. Im surprised it didnt include anything about Gay marriage or Iraq.

Although Muslims likely have a higher birth rate than non-Muslim Europeans, they are outnumbered significantly. I doubt very seriously that the majority of births in Europe are to Muslim children. Do you have stats?

PFnV

Muslims will be the majority in Europe in the next 30-40 years.

http://freund.typepad.com/my_weblog/...omes_musl.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1796

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You avoided my point. Are you a liberal pro-lifer who supports programs to help needy kids (health insurance, better education, better housing, etc.) or do you just want to try to make laws that force women to bring kids into a world where they might suffer the consequences of poverty, drugs, and violence?

After work, I'll take a look. Pipes is not a promising source, and "my_weblog" looks even less so. But we'll hash it out.

Before going any further, look at the first flight of statistical fancy above. The first statement quoted above is a sort of 3-card monte, followed by a "wait a minute."

The actual source statement is as follows, broken into components:

1. The bulk of population increase is "home-grown."
2. The annual population increase rate is .68% this year.
2a. This means that if the population is 100 at the beginning of the year, it will be 100.68 at the end of the year.

It does not mean any of the things the author goes on to say it means - that's the 3-card monte part. He's read a syntax that would make absolutely no sense. The actual syntax, though stylistically garbled, can only make sense one way: The total increase rate is .68% (not 68%). It is a total rate, not a comparative rate. Otherwise, the source quoted would be calling less than a single percentage point the "bulk" of growth.

The author seems to believe that .68% is slightly more than two thirds (rather than considerably less than one one-hundredth,) and that the .68% is a comparative number.

The actual original statement says that the bulk of this year's rate of increase is "home grown." Since we are talking about "french planners" here, we are talking about the bulk being Frenchmen at birth, rather than immigrants. If the "French planners" are talking on behalf of Europe rather than France, this means the bulk of European births are to people who are European-born to begin with.

This author, who does not have command of elementary math, and then states It is possible, however, that he understands the math just fine, and chooses to blatantly misrepresent the statistic in question.

Did you actually fall for this?

PFnV

Have you looked at the demographics for Europe? Their birth rates are well below replacement levels. The Muslim birthrates worldwide are high (except for Uran). You can believe what you want.

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Pipes is described as a neo con leading thinker, so have to look at what he says with a grain of salt... while the info may be true, the messenger is somewhat suspect.

http://www.danielpipes.org/bios/

Mr. Pipes takes pride in having been Borked by Edward Kennedy, called an "Orientalist" by Edward Said, deemed the neo-conservative movement's "leading thinker" by Egypt's Al-Ahram newspaper, and publicly addressed by a leading Al-Qaeda figure. He has been recognized as one of Harvard University's 100 most influential living graduates.

Freund is part of a group who is trying to get "displaced" jewish folk back to Israel.. so his agenda might be suspect as well.. he is involved with a group called Shavei Israel.. under the goals of this group:

http://www.shavei.org/article.php?id=47
Shavei Israel extends a helping hand to all members of our extended Jewish family and to all who seek to rediscover or renew their link with the people of Israel.

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Well demographic data is pretty cut and dried people are either having kids or they're not. The population decline among Europeans isn't exactly new.

If you don't like these sources find your own.

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