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Old 07-27-2007, 11:22 PM   #1
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A very good editorial from Investors Business Daily.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...70423956263436

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They're being ignored now. Virtually no media source or Democratic politician is willing to admit that the situation on the ground has changed dramatically over the past three months. Coalition efforts have undergone a remarkable reversal of fortune, a near-textbook example as to how an effective strategy can overcome what appear to be overwhelming drawbacks.

Anbar is close to being secured, thanks to the long-ridiculed strategy of recruiting local sheiks. A capsule history of war coverage could be put together from stories on this topic alone — beginning with sneers, moving on to "evidence" that it would never work, to the puzzled pieces of the past few months admitting that something was happening, and finally the recent stories expressing concern that the central government might be "offended" by the attention being paid former Sunni rebels. (Try to find another story in the legacy media worrying about the feelings of the Iraqi government.)

What you will not find is any mention of the easily-grasped fact that Anbar acts as a blueprint for the rest of the country. If the process works there, it will work elsewhere. If it works in other areas, that means the destruction of the Jihadis in detail.

Nor is that all. Diyala province, promoted in media as the "new al-Qaida stronghold," appears to have become a deathtrap. The Jihadis can neither defend it nor abandon it. The coalition understood that Diyala was where the Jihadis would flee when the heat came down in Baghdad, and they were ready for them. A major element of surge strategy — and one reason why the extra infantry brigades were needed — is to pressure Jihadis constantly in all their sanctuaries, allowing them no time to rest or regroup.

A blizzard of operations is occurring throughout central Iraq under the overall code-name Phantom Thunder, the largest operation since the original invasion. It is open-ended, and will continue as long as necessary. Current ancillary operations include Arrowhead Ripper, which is securing the city of Baqubah in Diyala province. Operation Alljah is methodically clearing out every last neighborhood in Fallujah. In Babil province, southeast of Baghdad, operations Marne Torch and Commando Eagle are underway. (As this was being written, yet another spinoff operation, Marne Avalanche, began in northern Babil.)
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:29 PM   #2
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A very good editorial from Investors Business Daily.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...70423956263436
Thank you.....what a great find this is.

The democrat party is so desperate to have Iran,N Korea and the muslim extremists succeed before the 2008 election,that they are blinded to the fact that the Bush administration and the US military are on the path to real success in the war on terror.
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Thank you.....what a great find this is.

The democrat party is so desperate to have Iran,N Korea and the muslim extremists succeed before the 2008 election,that they are blinded to the fact that the Bush administration and the US military are on the path to real success in the war on terror.

That's right. And not only is the surge working, but morale is higher than it's ever been, results are coming in regularly, Osama is reduced to a skulking ghost waiting for a Predator to find him and send him on his way, and his list of "successors" shrinks daily, both voluntarily as well as involuntarily.

And to top it all off: North Korea has abandoned its nuclear weapons program and will seek assistance from the U.S. to build its nuclear power system, not from crazy Ivans.

The media hates this news, and they won't tell it, but soon enough there will be no way they can't cover it properly.

Left-wing ideologues dominating the press truly drags the whole world down.


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A very good editorial from Investors Business Daily.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...70423956263436
J.R. Dunn, the author of this article, is a far right nutcase. Every single article of his is attacking the dreaded "Left".

http://www.americanthinker.com/jr_dunn/

He's not over there. Why should we believe him again?
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J.R. Dunn, the author of this article, is a far right nutcase. Every single article of his is attacking the dreaded "Left".

http://www.americanthinker.com/jr_dunn/

He's not over there. Why should we believe him again?


Yeah, the Left has never done anything to warrant any concern whatsoever. Fidel, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Daniel Ortega, Mao, Stalin, etc.... they were all just "good ol' boys."












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Yeah, the Left has never done anything to warrant any concern whatsoever. Fidel, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Daniel Ortega, Mao, Stalin, etc.... they were all just "good ol' boys."












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And the Right has that excellent track record.... Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, Marcos, Nixon, George W. Bush
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Yeah, the Left has never done anything to warrant any concern whatsoever. Fidel, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Daniel Ortega, Mao, Stalin, etc.... they were all just "good ol' boys."




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Fog, if you want to have any reasonable, respectable debate ever again here, please refrain from comparing the American liberal contingent with that list of names... They are entirely different "leftists" .... No, I don't need to remind you that you cried and had a hissy fit when people compared american pervasive corporativism to fascim, and yet here you are doing essentially the same thing... Practice what you preach, and we'll respect your wishes... Otherwise, if you refuse and insist on grouping us with those individuals, you won't like my next thread very much at all ...

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A very good editorial from Investors Business Daily.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArti...70423956263436
anyhow... back on topic... that is a glowing report, and i'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now as a differing opinion.... but we've heard this kind of spin before by conservative publications... and someone mentioned this guy isn't even in Iraq?????

well, here's a guy who IS in Diyala Province... let's just say, he sees things rather differently... :

Baghdad to Kirkuk, bodies show failure of 'surge'
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
By Patrick ****burn in Khanaquin, Diyala Province, Iraq

The United States surge, the use of the American troop reinforcements to bring violence in Iraq under control, is bloodily failing across northern Iraq.

That was proved again yesterday when a suicide bomber detonated a truck packed with explosives in Kirkuk killing at least 85 people and wounding a further 183.

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The attack is the latest assault by Sunni insurgents on Kurds who claim Kirkuk as their future capital.

The dispatch of 28,000 extra troops to Iraq starting in January, and the more aggressive deployment of the US army in the country, is not working. At best it is moving violence from one area of Iraq to another. The US is allying itself to local tribes and militias against guerrillas but that is angering the government in Baghdad and deepening the violence.

In Diyala, a mixed Shia-Sunni-Kurdish province south of Kirkuk and north-east of Baghdad, the US launched an offensive against al-Qa'ida and Sunni insurgent forces three weeks ago. It claimed to have killed many guerrillas and forced others to flee.

Hamdi Hassan Zubaydi, the Sunni leader of the Iraqi Islamic Party in Diyala, painted a very different picture. He described how some of the Sunni tribesmen had joined US troops to storm al-Qa'ida-held villages and had killed 100 insurgents. But when the US withdrew, al-Qa'ida returned and drove the tribesmen out.

Mr Zubaydi, who was jailed by Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, quivered with disgust as he explained the bloody complexities of sectarian war in Diyala.

The tough-looking former teacher in his fifties said 20 Sunni students on a bus had been abducted and he feared they would be killed. He said he knew who had carried out the kidnapping: "It was the emergency police forces led by Captain Abbas Waisi and Lt Zaman Abdul Hamid. I told the American special forces but they have done nothing."

The truck bomb blasted a 30ft-deep crater in a busy road full of small shops and booths near the ancient citadel of Kirkuk, setting fire to a bus in which the passengers burned to death and burying many others under the rubble. Dozens of cars were set ablaze and their blackened hulks littered the street. Some 25 of the wounded suffered critical injuries and may not live.
I ask... this optimistic strategy of "Clear, Hold, Build," as Condi likes to call it... how does it stop fanatical suicide bombers from fleeing, waiting, returning?...

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And the Right has that excellent track record.... Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, Marcos, Nixon, George W. Bush


You put Nixon and Bush with those other creeps??!! Says a lot about you.



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Fog, if you want to have any reasonable, respectable debate ever again here, please refrain from comparing the American liberal contingent with that list of names... They are entirely different "leftists" .... No, I don't need to remind you that you cried and had a hissy fit when people compared american pervasive corporativism to fascim, and yet here you are doing essentially the same thing... Practice what you preach, and we'll respect your wishes... Otherwise, if you refuse and insist on grouping us with those individuals, you won't like my next thread very much at all ...


FYI, Press, when I use "Left" (cap "L") it indicates "hard left", which includes the communist bosses I mentioned, as well as their willing accomplices moled in the free world; and finally, those whom the communists themselves term as their "useful idiots", those who hold them up in polite society as "beacons of hope".

If you don't consider yourself in any of these three categories, I am not referring to you when I say "Left".

If you DO consider yourself among them, then it is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.


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