Pat Tillman murdered by US troops? - New England Patriots Forums

mikey · 07-26-2007, 07:56 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...dly-fire_N.htm

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***PressCoverage*** · 07-26-2007, 08:07 PM

well, until more evidence is provided, i'm not willing to buy this... a doctor didn't like the look of bullet holes and their proximity, ok... but what else?

it's bad enough that a cover-up existed perhaps all the way up to the White House... but this story just keeps getting uglier and uglier...

***reflexblue*** · 07-26-2007, 08:26 PM

At first it sounded realy suspicious,3 bullet holes to the forehead in combat? But then I remembered that newer versions of the m 16 have a 3 burst selecter. It can fire a single shot,three shots, or your can put it on full auto and empty the magazine. Since its hard to keep the rifle steady on full auto the three shot burst is preferd. So someone aimed pulled the trigger once and three shots were discharged. So that may explain it.

***QuiGon*** · 07-26-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...dly-fire_N.htm

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See, Mikey, this is why so many people here think you're just a degenerate scumbag lowlife.

But you keep right on celebrating those American casualities..!! I bet you just can't wait for the next 9/11 style attack on America...

mikey · 07-26-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

At first it sounded realy suspicious,3 bullet holes to the forehead in combat? But then I remembered that newer versions of the m 16 have a 3 burst selecter. It can fire a single shot,three shots, or your can put it on full auto and empty the magazine. Since its hard to keep the rifle steady on full auto the three shot burst is preferd. So someone aimed pulled the trigger once and three shots were discharged. So that may explain it.

So an Al Qaeda terrorist aimed his rifle at Tilman's head, pulled the trigger once. and three shots entered Tillman's forehead?

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***reflexblue*** · 07-26-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey

So an Al Qaeda terrorist aimed his rifle at Tilman's head, pulled the trigger once. and three shots entered Tillman's forehead?

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No,an ak 47 doesan't have this feature.But an M16 does. Since the rate of fire of a M16 is so high the 3 rounds would have left the barrale before it moved from the recoil,therefore creating the tight,or close pattern on Tillmans head. To someone looking at his wounds it might appear like he was shot three seperate times. So it would either have to be from a fellow ranger,or a terrorist useing a M16. But the way the average Taliban likes their weapons on full auto and spray a target(just my opinion) not a 3 shoot burst, from watching news clips it seems unlikely it would have been a member of the Taliban,or AQ.

mikey · 07-26-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

No,an ak 47 doesan't have this feature.But an M16 does. Since the rate of fire of a M16 is so high the 3 shots would have left the barrle before it moved from the recoil,therefore creating the tight,or close pattern on Tillmans head. To someone looking at his wounds it might appear like he was shot three seperate times.

How do you explain this?

(1) No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

The only evidence of any fighting were the 3 bullets on Tilman's forehead.

(2) Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

Why are the Army lawyers sending congratulatory emails??

(3) The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.

How does the general not recall anything about the incident??

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***reflexblue*** · 07-26-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey

How do you explain this?

(1) No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

The only evidence of any fighting were the 3 bullets on Tilman's forehead.

(2) Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

Why are the Army lawyers sending congratulatory emails??

(3) The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.

How does the general not recall anything about the incident??

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What do you think? It was one of his own men who fired the shots. And the Army covered it up because he was being used as a recruitment tool by the likes of Rumsfeld,and he had to die a hero's death. The real question is was Tillman fraged. My original post was just to explain how he could have been shot three times ,and all three bullets struck close to each other. Not to try to explain anything else I.E. a coverup. But looking at it closer and haveing heard more since it could have been murder.

Fogbuster · 07-27-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

At first it sounded realy suspicious,3 bullet holes to the forehead in combat? But then I remembered that newer versions of the m 16 have a 3 burst selecter. It can fire a single shot,three shots, or your can put it on full auto and empty the magazine. Since its hard to keep the rifle steady on full auto the three shot burst is preferd. So someone aimed pulled the trigger once and three shots were discharged. So that may explain it.

Almost everyone in the field keeps it on 3-shot. It's standard when engaged, or even when on patrol. Full auto is for an all-out assault and with plenty of ammo; single shot is for low ammo times.

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Fogbuster · 07-27-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

What do you think? It was one of his own men who fired the shots. And the Army covered it up because he was being used as a recruitment tool by the likes of Rumsfeld,and he had to die a hero's death. The real question is was Tillman fraged. My original post was just to explain how he could have been shot three times ,and all three bullets struck close to each other. Not to try to explain anything else I.E. a coverup. But looking at it closer and haveing heard more since it could have been murder.

It's possible he was fragged, but I lean toward the confusion of war and very green soldiers in the field doing their first big op. They broke SOP by dividing into two groups, something that should only be done by highly experienced field troops, which most of these E-3s and 4s alongside Tillman were not.

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