Than I speak to postings I've seen from you in the past that IMO (only) seek to undermine the fine work that our troops do (at the flied staff level). If I'm mistaken, my apologies.

Beyond that, almost all of "involved" folks I speak too, while tired, overworked...and (occasionally) undersupplied, have NO ISSUE with motivation and dedication to the mission. Granted, SO troops may have different perspectives than line folks and vice versa, and that will create some variance in opinion, but motivation is still high. THEY DON'T FIGHT FOR US THOUGH, they fight for each other.

That said, one thing is for sure, they may not read our specific disunion here, they do feel it. btw, I never mentioned treason, and I do not accuse you of that....... even though I feel some of your thought do give aid and comfort, despite the fact that I am quite sure you DO NOT intend for them to.

I was pointing out that the result in Vietnam didn't lead to Communism taking over the world and that we shouldn't assume that leaving Iraq will have much of an impact on just how far Islamofascism goes before it too goes up in smoke.

I don't think their specific reasons for fighting are all that important. What is important is that they don't want what we're trying to give them.

You are quite correct, the above quote was uttered by Mr. 3putt, not you. My humble apologies. I was actually gonna comment to the "Communism" parallel and then deleted the wrong material.

I was wrong, and I stand corrected. Sorry.

And for the record......... I agree that, in and of itself, leaving Iraq will not bring Sharia to our shores. However, I do believe that leaving Iraq, will embolden many folk that otherwise might not be inclined to, so that conflict will be on our "national" platter much longer than I would like.

I would like a decisive victory, not a piecemeal one. Perhaps that unrealistic.

Good enough. I was po'd when I first noticed it, but after looking closer I realized what had happened.

That's a bunch of bullsh-t!
Because I don't think the occupation of Iraq is worthwhile, in the best nterest of national security and outright immoral, you stoop to the lowlife position of branding patriotic-minded Americans as not having the heart to win the "war" on terror. What a chickensh-t accusation by a loser Bush rumpswab who has nothing left in his arguement besides inferring that someone who disagrees with Bush and his dwindling number of minions is causing us to lose T.W.O.T.

How friggin pathetic. Waiting with baited breath for the next Viet nam analogy.

Iraqi's are taking more than twice the casualties of US forces right now. When you're taking losses that means you are fighting, and not running. I don't think enough people understand how long it takes to build a force. You just don't take a bunch of people and hand them weapons. You have to train these people, and more importantly, have to build a leadership group from scratch. Squad leaders, platoon leaders, etc (officers) all take time to develop. That is one of the most critical needs of an effective force, good leadership. Soldiers only follow leaders they believe in. The IA now has a fair amount of these, and what they are currently doing is working on logistics and combat operations. That's why we're embedding with them. Anyone who's just read an article in the paper for the last 4-5 years isn't going to understand the reality/specifics of the situation there.

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"A theory that explains everything, explains nothing"

One is a fundamentalist religious idealogy, the other was a country and world super power whose failed economic policies, combined with the costs of the wars it was fighting, lead to it's demise. Radical islam has no economy to worry about, nor does it have an army to fund. It relishes poveric systems since that seems to bloster their ability to recruit. Plus, they don't pay wages and benefits to their virgin seeking martyrs.

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"A theory that explains everything, explains nothing"

Patriot_in_NY:
My apologies for the tirade and personal attacks (rumpswab, chickensh-t). I had been up all night with a sick 4 y/o and was in a foul mood when I saw my name in a post. My indignation is the same, but the personal sh-t was out of line. I try most of the time to be civil, but I lost my mind for a while. Sorry about that.

I have to do the same (apologize), I should not have personalized this. My point lost it's meaning the second I did. I appreciate your sentiments, and I only hope that mine are likewise noted. I think that that post says a lot about you (this last one), and I'll try to do a better job myself. My apologies for questioning your patriotism.

Our differences and our right to passionately debate them are part of what makes us great. However at this point, we have become so polarized, we have become frozen in inaction, and it is my great fear our enemies (whoever them might be) may move in to exploit that weakness that exists right now.

btw, I hope the little one is up and about quickly.

They are soldiers. They take their orders and do their damndest to carry them out. God Bless them. I don't question the competance or commitment of those on the front line. I do question their leadership...both Political and Military.

I know that replacing the current troops in country with recruites of equal quality is "problematic" Those that are volunteering carry baggage and lack the education and skills of previous candidates. I know this because Army Recruiting Command is creating software to allow their personnel to run backround checks in the field to quickly acertain go/no go data to enable impulse committment. That is a fact.

PS... the aid and comfort to the enemy crap is a clear echo of Viet Nam.
Along with the Domino theory and measuring progress in terms of body counts.