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After their "DarkSide" piece, which exposed pre-war "intel" for all to see, I would say this is Frontline's best work.

Not for the faint of heart... not pretty.... not deniable....

Endgame

This program contains graphic and violent imagery

On Dec. 19, 2006, President George W. Bush said for the first time that the United States is not winning the war in Iraq. It was a dramatic admission from a president who had insisted since the war began that things were under control.

Now, as the U.S. begins what the administration hopes is the final effort to secure victory through a "surge" of troops, Gen. Jack Keane, Col. William Hix, Col. H.R. McMaster, Maj. Thomas Mowle, State Department Counselor and other military and government officials talk to FRONTLINE about both the military and political events that have led up to the current "surge" strategy, in Endgame. The report is the fifth film in a series of Iraq war stories from FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk, including Rumsfeld's War, The Torture Question, The Dark Side and The Lost Year in Iraq. (more »)

Harry Boy

PBS is the left wings Fox News (without the ratings)

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Holy Diver

here we go again......

PressCoverage

let's try a little experiment, shall we, rationallies? for this thread, let's ignore the trolls who refuse to watch the non-political program or comment on its content.... let them squawk and obfuscate all they like...

however, if a Bushie has the courage to watch the program, and can instead comment on and dispute any of the major themes, or prove a general or CIA agent is lying, we'll promise to forgive their forum sins and debate civilly with them from here on out...

this will be their chance to truly take the high road, and debate the issue of this war's success/failure with merit, and not personal attacks...

if not, oh well....

but this war's objectives are lost and not retrievable... i don't like it.... but worse, i don't like that certain elements of this country refuse to own up....

"And let no one be mistaken about this: The Muslim Arabs on the ground in Iraq know we are done. We are finished. They know we are going to leave. It's not a question of if; it's only a question of when. And they see us as having been defeated. That's very clear. The only people who aren't clear on this right now are sitting in Washington, D.C., particularly in the White House and the Pentagon" -- Col. Douglas Macgregor (Ret.) Military strategist

PatsWSB47

Well I haven't seen the show but that one quote from Macgergor says a few things and doesn't mean we lost. I know you must be giddy and couldn't wait to post this good news of our reported defeat. How do you think the Muslim Arabs think we're finished? Could they be influenced by the never ending bombardment of anti Ameircan reports and stories in the media? Count on that PBS piece being a centerpiece for discussion and rally cry for those Muslims on the ground. This will surely convince them, and with folks like you spreadding the "good news" it could happen all the faster. I've seen many more quotes from generals that beg to differ with his take on things. I will watch it though. I for one don't just watch/read things that support my take on things. But i'm just a jaggie, isn't that right?

mr3putt

An accurate and revealing portrayal of events here and in Iraq.

Just loved the scene where Bremer is secreted out of Iraq because the normal airport road was deemed unsafe.

Rat poison for the Neo Cons.
Eat it up Boys

PressCoverage

unecessary personal attack.... one down... 9 or 10 more to go...

i still have hope one or two of them will take the offer ...

PatsWSB47

Are you talking about me? I said I would watch it if you read my post.

PatsWSB47

Pot to the kettle: "You're black". Tell me you didn't post the lets "try a little experiment" to belittle people that disagree with you. tell me that you didn't call me a jaggie? Tell me that you don't call people idiots and POS. Tell me that this whole post wasn't meant as a gottcha piece. When I have a several hours I'm going to piece a by now very long thread of all the name calling, smug, smarter than thou posts you bombard the board with every day of your life. You're entitled to your point of view you are vicious to anyone that disagrees. You use the word "debate" but there is absloutely none with you. There is one and only one view that is acceptable in the world and that is yours. You know it all and when some mentioned football then of course you are then ultimate expert on that as well. Why didn't that suprise me? I think i can throw away all my encyclpedias now. We have the book of knowledge right here on the patsfans board.

PS. Who the feck cares about you're stupid experiment? You know most people I tend to think are allright and would be great company at a football game or in another setting. Patters, Harry, Mikey, Foggy, Realworld, Pujo, I can go on. They seem to at least listen to another POV. You, are different. I'd have a horrible time with you though. No respect, none, zero.

PressCoverage

like i give a *****...

again... i do so only in response... treat me with respect from the start, and you'd receive it... go ahead and do your research, and for each occassion whereby you find i've taken someone to task, i'll show you where that person started *****... including you...

it's not a gotcha piece... there are easier ways to do that... what i'm looking for is mature debate about the merits of this war... it can still be that, in this thread, anyway, if the predictable dozen wouldn't once again start ***** on a personal level, and could perhaps tackle the issue itself...

here, i'll start: this occupation is lost...

now, see if you can debate that statement without focusing on me in any way shape or form.... go ahead... show me you can do it... i haven't seen it yet