Tax dodgers taunt police from hilltop compound - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

Real World · 06-21-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Then why are we treating them so differently from other types of holed up criminals? I think it's political issue (the Republicans don't want to alienate their anti-tax base) and a race issue (the Republicans don't want to alienate the type of people who support the Browns, who often belong to racist groups). Why for so many righties is it never a race issue when blacks defend blacks (for instance the OJ trial), but never a race issue when whites defend whites?

That's pretty pathetic thinking. So this is an instance of whites defending whites?

Oh, please, don't stop, this is the most I've laughed all week.

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

That's fine. It disgusts me how many white conservatives seem to live in lala land where the only racism that exists is that which is initiated by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. As long as you keep avoiding an attempt to explain why the Brown's are being treated so differently than other types of criminals, you won't have to confront the truth.

Are all criminals, their threat, and extenuating situations, one and the same? Is a guy who fails to paychild support the same as a serial murderer? Is a thief the same as a pedophile? Is a computer hacker the same as a rapist? Is a drug dealer the same as tax evader? Is an illegal alien similar to arsonist?

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by QuiGon

Typical Patters response... ignores the points at hand, refuses to acknowledge he was mistaken, and throws out a backhanded insult.

IRAAAAAAQ!

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pujo

Sure, and every time we throw a drug dealer in jail, more pop up, yet we keep doing it. You're right about Pelosi and Kennedy, but also Bush for making us pay for this war.

I agree race probably has nothing to do with this, rather a desire to end this without bloodshed.

The war, AND a prescription drug benefit, education, and accross the board increases in spending. He is a grossly negligent (sp?) spender. It's no wonder his business' went to *****.

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mgcolby

Just curious and I don't want to hijack the thread: but if 20 white guys killed a Hispanic man, who was trying to help his hispanic friend, who was trying to help a little girl that he accidentally hit in a parking lot, do you think it would be considered a hate crime? Also do you think it would be all over the news and by all over the news I mean coverage equal to....I don't know...Imus?

Where is the outrage of racism here Patters? Or does the label of racist only apply to white people?

Again if it needs its own thread then feel free to move it.

I think you should start a thread on it, and link a story or two.

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

The liberal mindset of the politically correct do-gooder is that no Person Of Color is capable of being Racist even if they are beating you to death with a baseball bat all the while screaming "die you white mother f-cker"

The Liberal Will Blame Slavery.

We're an excusist, appologist society now. We coddle the minority regardless of right or wrong. We favor dsicrimination so long as it is in favor of someone we feel pitty for.

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pujo

There's no real question about the constitutionality of income tax, the 16th amedment expressly authorizes it. You, and they, may have a point about the taxation being unfair, and you're free to see them as martyrs, but don't make it sound like there's a bona fide legal issue here.

The beef regarding consitutionality is theirs, not mine. (just to be clear which I think you kinda said)

I don't see them as martyrs, and never even remotely insinuated that they have a bona fide legal case. I merely said that I'm glad they are bringing to light the matter of over taxation.

Real World · 06-21-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pujo

Please, the only reasons we haven't rounded up illegals are:
1. The cost of such a massive operation, even if they could find half of them.
2. The impact on illegal immigrants' labor, which we need but only talk about in hushed tones.

Race has as little to do with it as it does with the NH case.

Um, if you understood my point, then you'd see that I was clearly stating that race had nothing to do with the fact that we don't round up illegals. Frauders is trying to say that those people on the hill are escaping justice because they are white.

I couldn't disagree with you more on #1. The cost of them being here, both inthe short term, and especially in the long term, is ten fold the amount it would take to enforce current law.

As for #2, there is some validity to it (clearly more so than talking point #1). However, no operation would ever be an overnight affair. Furthermore, no one is advocating, or has stated, that they would move to deport 12-20 million illegals ASAP. All we have to do is seal the border, and weed them out as we find them. It truly is that easy.

***Patters*** · 06-21-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mgcolby

Just curious and I don't want to hijack the thread: but if 20 white guys killed a Hispanic man, who was trying to help his hispanic friend, who was trying to help a little girl that he accidentally hit in a parking lot, do you think it would be considered a hate crime? Also do you think it would be all over the news and by all over the news I mean coverage equal to....I don't know...Imus?

Where is the outrage of racism here Patters? Or does the label of racist only apply to white people?

It's a hate crime if they have evidence that blacks killed the person because they were Hispanic. Hate crimes of that type typically have the perpetrator yelling racist remarks. At any rate, it is the crime of murder.

And, no, racism doesn't only apply to whites, but in the case of the Browns I don't understand why law enforcement is moving so gingerly. If it was a drug dealer holed up, do you think we would wait months, and allow their friends to bring them supplies and allow them to hold press conferences? I don't think so. I don't think the Feds are saying, "Hey, these are white conservatives, let's be nice to them." I think it's the sort of unconscious double standard that permeates our society.

***Patters*** · 06-21-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Real World

Are all criminals, their threat, and extenuating situations, one and the same? Is a guy who fails to paychild support the same as a serial murderer? Is a thief the same as a pedophile? Is a computer hacker the same as a rapist? Is a drug dealer the same as tax evader? Is an illegal alien similar to arsonist?

I didn't say that. That's why I used the example of a drug pusher holed up, but I think someone who didn't pay child support or who was a computer hacker would be a similar example. Again, giving people a reasonable amount of time to give up is good, but allowing them to get supplies and to hold press conferences is clearly a double standard.