Real World

What a banana republic we live in. How about getting cash FOR GOING TO FUKCING WORK!

This country is over. We're toast. We're no longer a can do society. We've instead become a what can you do for me society. Everything being done in this country is azzbackwards. We're invading people, as opposed to going to someone's defense. We're looking to legalize illegals , thus rewarding people who are pissing on our laws, which is a slap to everything this country stands for. Now there is this beaut, where we're looking to pay cash to people on welfare, in the hopes that they will, um, stay on welfare?

I'm fed up!



NYC Poor to Get Cash for Good Behavior

Jun 19, 12:39 AM (ET)

By SARA KUGLER

NEW YORK (AP) - Poor residents will be rewarded for good behavior - like $300 for doing well on school tests, $150 for holding a job and $200 for visiting the doctor - under an experimental anti-poverty program that city officials detailed Monday.

The rewards have been used in other countries, including Brazil and Mexico, and have drawn widespread praise for changing behavior among the poor. Mayor Michael Bloomberg traveled to Mexico this spring to study the healthy lifestyle payments, also known as conditional cash transfers.

In New York, the two-year pilot program with about 14,000 participants will use private funds Bloomberg has raised because he did not want to spend government money on something that is highly experimental. More than $43 million has been raised toward the $53 million goal, Deputy Mayor Linda Gibbs said.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070619/D8PRLSMG0.html
The theory behind cash rewards is that poor people are trapped in a cycle of repeated setbacks that keep them from climbing out of poverty. A person who doesn't keep up with his vaccinations and doctor's visits, for example, may get sick more often and struggle to stay employed.

Bloomberg, a billionaire Republican, said he believes paying people in such circumstances to make good decisions could help break those patterns. The program "gives New Yorkers in poverty a financial incentive to look ahead and make decisions that will improve their prospects for the future," he said in a statement.

But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.

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maverick4

"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts"
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Whaaa!? So... is Margy saying that people are inherently different? This is a very dangerous statement and I don't think she realizes what she's saying.

Pujo

No, what she's saying is society can't support everyone not being poor. In a society such as ours where wealth is concentrated at the top, there's not enough to go around to bottom echelon. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but that's what she's saying.

Harry Boy

50 years from now America will be another third world ***** hole, nobody will be able to talk each other (300 different languages) and the people will be throwing dead bodies in the rivers and lakes just likre they do in Africa.

GOD IS GREAT
DEATH TO AMERICA (you bet and it won't be long)

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In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Real World

Actually, I took it to say that if people were willing to change their ways, and actually take care of themselves because they were going to be rewarded with cash, then doesn't that say that they could truly support themselves if they really wanted to?

I say it clearly does.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

maverick4

Is Margy basically saying that environment does not play a role, that it's genetics???

363839

This reminds me of a speech a great president made.
An excerpt here.
"....ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for
your country."

He was a democrat, too.

Real World

But some critics have raised questions about cash reward programs, saying they promote the misguided idea that poor people could be successful if they just made better choices.

"It just reinforces the impression that if everybody would just work hard enough and change their personal behavior we could solve poverty in this country, and that's not reflected in the facts," said Margy Waller, co-founder of Inclusion, a research and policy group in Washington.

How do you get genetics from the above statement? She is saying that if people just went to work, then we'd solve poverty. Personally, I think you'll always have poor people, so I'd have agree with her more so had she said less poverty.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Real World

"....ask what your country will give you for free, and then make sure they give you cash on top of that."



Seriously, this country is toast. Old school dems, and old school repubs, are nonexistent in this country. We've been hijacked, and overrun by special interest groups, radicals, and extremists.

I'm mad today.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

363839

I can't blame you, Real.