mikey

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/wa...hp&oref=slogin


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Real World

Hey, let's be fair now, it's scumbag George Bush....


Senate Leaders Agree to Revive Immigration Bill

By ROBERT PEAR and JEFF ZELENY
Published: June 15, 2007
WASHINGTON, June 15 — President Bush and Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic majority leader, pledged today to work for passage of the suddenly revived immigration bill, with Mr. Reid saying Senate Democrats would sacrifice their Fourth of July break, if necessary.


...POS Harry Reid, and all the other *****bag senate leaders who comply. They are all scumbag sell-outs. Anyone who supports this legislation will be immidiately crossed off my 2008 possibility list.

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wistahpatsfan

What do you expect from a pile of self-serving millionaires who profit from cheap labor and even cheaper votes? What other reason could they have for being into this?

This sh-t drives me to drink!

Harry Boy

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PF1996

What's your proposed alternative? Or do you prefer the status quo?

patsfan13

We could try something novel ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS.

That would be a huge change.Build a fence to only allow legal immigrants in

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PF1996

That could certainly work for stemming the future entry of illegal immigrants. However, what do you propose to do with those already in the country? Or do you think the status quo should continue (albeit, with the inclusion of a fence)?

wistahpatsfan

I don't know, to be honest with you. Amnesty for all illegals presently in the country is idiotic. In the past, you could be tossed for committing any crime...put on a boat and not allowed back in. Now they're talking about letting hard-core criminals stay. What do we do with them? Put them in prison? Why not? Probably a better life than one they'd have in their home country.

The problem is regulation of people from outside the borders. You have to be either for it or against it. Philosophically, I'm for open borders and the elimination of all political borders. Borders exist for the sole purpose of setting one group of people apart from another. The implication is that one group is better than the other, which is, of course, false. Borders are economic devices meant to limit the access and distribution of natural resources.

However, given the state of global affairs (we are participating in a heinously immoral occupation which is part of a larger corporately-controlled system of exploitation of natural resources that do not belong to us, IMO) open borders might be a dangerous idea to us at this time. Until we can resolve the "Energy Problem", we need to protect ourselves from terrorists for now. It will take a while, but in the meantime, we need to regulate the flow of people into the country. We have to be aware that other countries will respond in kind to any such actions.

I have stated before that the table has been set already for the union of North America. NAFTA has essentially combined the economies of Mexico, the US, and Canada forever. That's the way it is. Americans decided that they want cheap stuff instead of jobs, so we must accept that we will be partners with Mexicans and Canadians in our economic endeavors. Sooner or later, the political borders will be reduced to the same status of the border between NH and VT. In a way, such a union will enable us to more easily manage the borders, which will now be the border between Mexico and Beliz/Guatemala (a much shorter stretch than the Rio Grande) and the Arctic coast of Canada. Control of ports and the coast will be, as now, paramount. When we withdraw our foreign-based troops and assets, we will be able to secure the Continent.

QuiGon

Here's a few alternatives:

1) Do not encourage illegal immigration by rewarding it. Illegals should not be allowed any sort of public assistance or taxpayer funded health care whatsoever. This whole problem comes from the fact that if an illegal can cross into the country, he gets all sorts of free benefits, healthcare, housing, etc...

2) No citizenship for children of illegals, even if born on American soil.

3) The IRS should treat an illegal immigrant (and his employer) who cheat on taxes with the same severity they go after American citizens.

4) Recognize this for what it is: An invasion by a foreign power attempting to occupy our soverign soil, take over our government and usurp our financial and natural resources. Fight this invasion by any and all means available, including the usage of force.

DarrylS

Went to lunch with the retired old farts from Corrections the other day, we were yakking.. one thing we do well. One of the guys who still works in Juvenile told me how the intake people there had a question about if an illegal immigrant was detained, how should they handle it. They brought in an ethics expert and he told them if they did report it to INS it could be considered an ethics violation.

WTF, if the institution census is 196 and 10% are illegal immigrants, then that means 20 would move on and back to their countries. In dollars that translates into about 2 million bucks saved a year. This is in RI so imagine other states where there are greater percentages of illegal immigrants.

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