Patters

Do you like the Romney who was pro-abortion and pro-gay rights? Do you like his mandatory health care in MA? What do you like about Romney?

At least they're not decrepit. The only Republican who has any pizzazz is Romney. The rest are a bit over the hill.

BelichickFan

I don't think so.

Americans do want to get out of Iraq. And they do want to do something about health care costs. And they do want to protect social security (God only knows why on the last one). Those are all wins for Democrats unless the Republican candidate has something there.

But Americans like plenty of Republican ideals too like lower spending (I said Republican ideals, not Bushian), protection of the right to bear arms (I disagree on that), basic capitalism, no socialized medicine, etc.


There's plenty of issues on both sides, it's just a matter of who expresses them best and who can placate to the middle well.

BelichickFan

I don't like Romney's pro death stance but when I look at a President it's the destination he arrived at, not the journey.

The health care thing, to be honest, I don't know exactly how that works in MA.

What do I like about Romney ? I think he'd be a true Republican in terms of spending and taxes. And I like the fact that he's actually succeeded in provate sector life in many ways - it shows a general competence, unlike most people who are elected President who have been politicians their whole life. Well, I guess Edwards was a successful ambulence chaser - but without getting into name calling, Romney has tackled business, the Olympics, politics and has been generally successful at them all.

BelichickFan

Oh, I forgot gay rights.

For the last time :

I'm for gay rights - everyone has the right to be gay.

I'm just against :

Gay Marriage - for reasons I've outlined a thousand times.
Anti gay discrimination but I'm against all anti discrimination laws, not just gay.

Real World

Romney is Hillary Clinton. Sounds real nice, moves around with the wind, is tall, has a strong arm.... Romney and Clinton are those combine Mike Mamula types. Runs a 4.43 - 40, verticals 38", and does 28 reps of 225lbs. The problem is, when you look at their history before the combine, watch the tape, and have to live with them after you draft em, you realize what Dennis Green did, which is that "they were who you thought they were".

My biggest beef with both is that they are finger in the wind politicians. Suits if you will. To me, those are the most dangerous kind.

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Real World

Let's not confuse the natural evolution of a civilization with the liberal political ideology that you speak of.

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Real World

After watching CNN last night, it is clear to me that Obama will undoubtedly be the Democratic nominee by the time it matters. At this point, I'd be happy about that.

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BelichickFan

I was under the impression that Obama didn't do well - that's what Frank Luntz was showing on Hannity & Combs anyway.

BTW, Combs' argument for Hillary that "only 6 Senators read the NIE report" before voting on the war is so pitiful - I guess in his mind 94 wrongs make a right

Patters

What's the difference?

Real World

The difference is that societies naturally evolve, whereas you seem to think societies simply adopt liberal political ideology and support it. 20% of our population I think, describes itself as politically liberal. There is a difference in natural maturity and evolution, and the political wants of that specific group.

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