QuiGon

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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...rror_06_01.asp

Al Qaida suspects sue Boeing, with ACLU's help

WASHINGTON — Boeing has been sued by suspected Al Qaida operatives transported by the CIA to Arab countries for interrogation and torture.

Pujo

Good for them, makes me proud to be a member. As far as I know they're "suspects". By Qui Gon's "logic", if the FBI just took these people out back and shot them, instead of putting them on trial, and someone complained, they'd be un-American. He should move to Iran or Pakistan or some other country with a system of "summary judgement", in America we follow some due process.

Harry Boy

Osama must get a laugh out of that one.

If the Muslim Terrorists should win the war the ACLU lawyers will be the first in line to have their Heads Chopped Off, can any of you imagine Al Queda allowing an outfit the ACLU to exist in their "Bloody Horror World".

Imagine an ACLU lawyer telling a Muslim Terrorist to let his wife ride in the front seat

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Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Real World

I'm not a fan of the ACLU, but I'm also not a supporter of Guantanamo, or what it represents. Holding people indefinately and without some form of due process doesn't sit well with me. I know it's not an easy situation for people on either side of the argument, as simply releasing someone you suspect of wanting to murder innocent people is unfathomable to some, while incarcerating an individual who very well could be innocent is unaccpetable to others. I lean more to the side of the French General in Last of the Mohicans. Anyone remember what he told Magua the night before the British vacated their Fort?

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Patters

This is the kind of issue why I don't belong to the ACLU. While I respect the ACLU's consistency with all sorts of groups, including Fred Phelps, Al Qaeda, and American Nazis, the rights of those groups are extraordinarily low on my list or priorities. I also feel the same way about prisoner's rights. While I certainly believe that prisoners are entitled to basic human rights, there are just too many groups that are more important to me. That said, I'm glad the ACLU is a strong organization because by representing the rights of the least desirable, they protect all of our rights.

patsfan13

It's called being a Prisoner of War. A number of the prisoners were captured /killed while returning to the GWOT trying to kill Americans.

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Real World

Would I be wrong to conclude by your words that you feel certain groups have, or deserve, more rights than others? I'm just asking.

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Pujo

I'm sorry, but the Bush administration disagrees with you. They've refused to grant POW status to those captured as part of the War on Terror, being that POW status would entitle them to Geneva Convention protections.

Real World

I understand what they allegedly all are. My issue with it is that this is not a coventional war, and there is no country, organization, or tribunal that is requesting their release, or representive of their being. There is no Germany, no Japan, no Vietnam, etc... Obvioulsy there are a number of these jokers who were on the field in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. that were guilty of terrorism, or aggression against our country. My position is that these individual deserve some form of due process. Obvioulsy not the rights that American citizens enjoy in this country, but some for of predetermined process that enables them the ability to defend themselves against permanent incarceration against their will. I personally don't give a rats azz what the world thinks of Gunatanamo, as I don't care what the world thinks, I care about what is right for, and is, American. Which is why indiscriminate, permanent, and unlitigated incarceration is something I can't support. That is not good judgement, nor American. IMO.

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Real World

Which I don't think these jokers deserve. They don't play by the Geneva rules in any way, shape or form. They do deserve some form of due process though.

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