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Old 05-30-2007, 01:40 PM   #31
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And that's ALL they should be teaching them.


Do you think the majority of parents and/or community members would vote in favor of teaching the drivel this is about to their kids ?
So vote the school board out, if you think you have enough support. These people aren't appointed by god, they're elected. Seems like someone's voting for them.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:42 PM   #32
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Are you really that dumb? Why don't they have a bible class, or a school that teaches the goodness of Mohamed? Why can't they have a Halloween party, or say Merry Christmas? *****, they can't even sing a CHRISTmas carrol anymore, and soon the pledge of Alligance will be a banned too (or am I late on that one?) Yet, they can MANDATE that EVERY student attend a forum where they tell children about a kid they aborted, encourage them to do drugs, masturbate, and have homosexual relationships with their friends. I see though, forget that schools should be in the business of teaching math, science, english, history, etc....and nothing else, they should be there to push their radical agenda, SO LONG AS it fits your views. I know, it's more bottom-line-kind-of-guy logic. You know, where it's right so long as it fits YOUR bottom line.

Get a clue.
Your tone's out of line, I have no interest in debating with you if you're gonna be a jackass. In the meantime, just remember that I'm right.
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:09 PM   #33
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Your tone's out of line, I have no interest in debating with you if you're gonna be a jackass. In the meantime, just remember that I'm right.
Awe, what's the matter? Don't like it when people call you names? Povero bambino.
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I cannot believe people with kids are advocates of this. Since when do we let public schools rasie our children. Teach core education....leave the rest of it to me.
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:17 PM   #35
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In all fairness, I didn't listen to the audio (but did read the article). I agree it's quite possible to have a totally inappropriate presentation, but it's also possible to have a presentation that presents multiple points of view and teaches kids to take the issues seriously and perhaps even underscores the values that the parents are trying to instill, even if some people in the panel do not share those values.
You don't seem to have a clue about raising kids.
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:24 PM   #36
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You don't seem to have a clue about raising kids.
Actually, I was once a kid. Besides that, I was quite involved in the upbringing of a niece and nephew until they were about 15. Why do you think more parents didn't complain (as far as we know)? Do you think they don't have a clue about raising kids?
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:35 PM   #37
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Actually, I was once a kid. Besides that, I was quite involved in the upbringing of a niece and nephew until they were about 15. Why do you think more parents didn't complain (as far as we know)? Do you think they don't have a clue about raising kids?

Being a kid is very different thaqn being a parent.

As to "being involved" that is a very poor relative to the responsibility and ownership involved in being a parent.

Many parents don't have the time to pay attention to what is happening at school, and some feel they have to defer to the experts, in the same way that many people won't question a doctor about their own health.
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Old 05-31-2007, 05:42 AM   #38
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Being a kid is very different thaqn being a parent.

As to "being involved" that is a very poor relative to the responsibility and ownership involved in being a parent.

Many parents don't have the time to pay attention to what is happening at school, and some feel they have to defer to the experts, in the same way that many people won't question a doctor about their own health.
You're a diehard conservative and, it seems to me, as such you want to control your kids lives. Like my siblings (all married with kids), my nieces and nephews (some with with kids), we all have found being honest with kids, teaching them tolerance and exposing them to different ideas hasn't hurt. Of the 18 adults, we are all liberals, and I have no doubt that we all would have supported an honest discussion about STDs that encouraged responsibility and thoughtful decision making. I think you would have as hard a time as I would making a case that one style of child rearing is more effective than another style. As long as the family is loving, teaches responsibility and the skills required to grow up, kids will be okay whether or not they are exposed to different ideas.
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You're a diehard conservative and, it seems to me, as such you want to control your kids lives. Like my siblings (all married with kids), my nieces and nephews (some with with kids), we all have found being honest with kids, teaching them tolerance and exposing them to different ideas hasn't hurt. Of the 18 adults, we are all liberals, and I have no doubt that we all would have supported an honest discussion about STDs that encouraged responsibility and thoughtful decision making. I think you would have as hard a time as I would making a case that one style of child rearing is more effective than another style. As long as the family is loving, teaches responsibility and the skills required to grow up, kids will be okay whether or not they are exposed to different ideas.


I want to guide my children to be able to make their own decisions. That didn't include asking them to make decisions before they should have to. It also didn't include having the state telling my kids how they should live or what values they should have. That is none of the states business.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:27 AM   #40
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I want to guide my children to be able to make their own decisions. That didn't include asking them to make decisions before they should have to. It also didn't include having the state telling my kids how they should live or what values they should have. That is none of the state's business.
You have the right to home-school them. For some parents that may be the best solution. As far as the kids go, a good case can be made that experts in education have something to offer. It doesn't mean they never make mistakes, but overall I think it's apparent that our educators have done a pretty good job. Also, I don't think exposing kids to different value systems is the same as telling them what values they should have. How do you avoid exposing your kids to different value systems?
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