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Deported? How would they be deported? Do you know how many are cited for motor vehicle violations and don't show up to court? An illegal could punch you in the face and never be reprimanded for it. How about those two sisters that were killed in Virginia? Remember my thread on the guy who rear ended them and killed them? That was his 4th or 5th violation. Was he ever deported? Nope, not until he finally killed somebody.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

reflexblue

Your right,and thats sad,but maybe I could claim I was makeing a citizens arrest and he resited?

Patters

I think it's mostly a practical problem. We need to seal up our borders and we need to get a handle on who is in this country. I don't think it's possible without resorting to awful tactics and massive expensive to get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. I also don't think it's politically possible, given that the illegals already have considerable support among corporate Republicans as well as many Democratic constituencies. By bringing them into the system, salaries will start to climb, since they will be paid minimum wage as opposed to far less. Furthermore, by bringing them into the system and closing our borders, in just a few years I think our economy will absorb the immigrants and start to return to a better balance. But, we also have the problem that children of illegals, according to the SC, are American citizens. We will face a legal nightmare if we try to throw out parents, but not the kids. Again, it's very much a practical problem. I've read that the cost of getting rid of the illegals would be a minimum of $300 billion, and that doesn't include the costs if they choose to fight deportation in court.

sdaniels7114

Get our troops back home and put them to use closing down the border. Shooting on site is asinine; but our soldiers are perfectly capable of stopping and detaining a bunch of unarmed civilians. If the Posse Comitatus act says you can't do that then you repeal the act. I approve of the so-called amnesty plan; but only if its coupled with permanently secured borders. Which I think we all can agree, is unlikely to happen. I put down I approve in the poll, but only because I'm an optimist and I'm holding out some hope that our leaders are aware that the act that tops 9-11 is coming. Its only a matter of time and that these porous borders of ours are too likely to be a part of it.

All_Around_Brown

since you are very interested in my informed comment, I will tell you I agree with you on this, but am not as hysterical about it as some. As Ive said before, there needs to be enforcement of the laws on the books instead of this BS political showmanship and pandering.

Now, while the border issue is huge, there are many overstaying their visas with the same result. Many of these are middle eastern students, some with designs on establishing cells here.

so its not a anti-mexican thing with me, as it is with many of you, so much as it is a national security issue in general. A-Q didnt use the mexican border pre-911, they used the canadian border. So, while you are all hysterical about the southern flank, don't forget theres no way you can guard against the northern flank...so stop being stupid about it.

enforce the existing laws...deport, deport, deport!! and what the pols never want to do: start putting pressure on businesses that hire them. Do you think its a coincidence that the problem has gotten so out of control under GOP rule?? They are pro-business and anti-labor...always have been. They dont give a ***** about the american worker and would be perfectly happy if all american labor was indentured servitude. History shows this.

That said, Ive got a huge beef with what organized labor has become, and have a major beef with them too, but thats another topic.

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reflexblue

AHH a very astute point ,not the response I was expecting.Logisticaly,finacialy,and legaly it would make it very difficult.But I still don't believe in blanket amnesty.The first thing that has to be solved is Mexico it self. the very rich which are few want to get ride of the poor,make it someone elses problem.The Mexican government doesn't want a secure border because it's easier to let the poor come here.But thats what we need.I don't think the cost of reduceing the poresness of the border down to even a few thousand crossing would be that high in comparison to the Iraq war or the 300 billion you mentioned.It's a matter of national security. The illegals that are here now would either be assimilated or reduced through atrition.By the way I don't know what the cost of these's illegals being here is,but I'm sure it's pretty high. Who knows years from now Nort America could be borderless,but the Mexican section would have to be a welfare state with unemployment,health insurance,social security etc for it to work. Only then would wages rise,and job loss here go down.

PATSNUTme

We sure as hell don't need another law right now. The Bush administration blew it right after 9/11.

We should have had a draft of 150,000 - 200,000 men to be trained to secure our borders (Both north and south) AND our ports. Do NOT mix the draftees with the regular military.

It's still not too late to do something like that. We really are at war with terrorist and no one is being called up to contibute to that effort. I hate taxes but would pay a surcharge if every red cent went to border/port security.

First we should secure the borders. Then we should put employers that we will be coming after them if they continue to hire illegals. Cut off the reason for illegals to come here and they will drift back home. Then we can decide how many immigrants we need and bring them along LEGALLY.

I don't care if they come from Mexico,Western Europe, Asia or anywhere else, come in legally and become part of the melting pot.

All_Around_Brown

A good suggestion about the "draft". You are right. I worry that we may have missed that very crucial opportunity when the national mood was right. We lost that for lack of leadership IMO, not unlike how we lost international respect.

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Pujo

That's sad? You think illegals should literally be treated like varmin? Get a gang together, sling a shotgun over your shoulders, and go shootin?

Pujo

You're right, he probably wouldn't get deported. I was giving the worst case scenario, but my point was that you would still be charged with assault even if he's illegal.