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Real World · 05-29-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Thanks RW. Went to Buenos Aires, Argentina. Terrific vacation. The city reminded me of Manhattan. Very alive until all hours. (Also very cheap for food and entertainment.) I'll post a thread on it later this week. Politically it's an interesting place. Their politics and political system is very, very much like ours.

Oh man I'm soooo jelous. I was supposed to go there with a bud 2 years ago. I've got some family in Argentina. EVERYONE who's been has said it's a beautiful place. One of my friends cousins who lives there was telling us it's a tad dangerous. Did it seem that way? We're trying to decide where to go on our next trip. Domincan Republic, Venenzuella, Costa Rica, or Argentina. We're doing Octoberfest next year so we figured we'd go south this time around.

Real World · 05-29-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

RW, like I said, the agreement fell apart after Bush came into office. The article you cite is from 2002. Like I said, the NK's took advantage of Bush's missteps to step away from the agreement they made with Clinton; Bush, most likely because of pressure from the right-wing that condemned Clinton's agreement, antagonized and refused to negotiate with them on their terms. They held out and eventually prevailed and now we're roughly back to the Clinton agreement, but unfortunately NK had a few years to continue its nuclear program. Obviously, they are a difficult adversary. Clinton got the best deal he could; Bush thought he could do better, but 6 years later, he's come to agree with the Clinton approach.

Can you not read?

The announcement comes two months after North Korea admitted it has a secret and active nuclear weapons program begun years after it promised to never again pursue such a course.

The article is from 2002. The article states that NK admitted that it had begun it's program secretively YEARS prior. That would mean 2000 at a minimum. Hmmmm....who was in office in 2000? You Bush haters are so blind and partisan it's beyond ridicuous. Why can't you simply call a spade a spade? I'm not blaming anybody here. I'm simply putting forth the FACT that NK renegged on a deal it had with the USA, you know, our country. Forget presidents, and politics, and acknowledge the facts. I guess GW should have just continued sending him the ransom, and let NK build nukes? Remember that Clinton is on record as saying he almost took out their nuke facilities in 1994 because of how significant a threat he considered them. Why do people always play politics with the facts? It is what it is.

***patsfan13*** · 05-29-2007, 11:06 PM

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They did not violate the deal until after Bush was elected. Until that point, they were abiding by it. When Bush included them in the axis of evil and announced his premptive strike policy, they took it personally. Obviously, that was at least partly opportunistic on their part, but the failure happened during Bush's administration and the only way he got things back on track was by acquiescing to relatively mild demands by them. Too bad it took him so long to realize the value of diplomacy.

NK never observed the agreement regardless of what you would like to believe. They took the money and wnet rifht head with their nuke development program.

BTW our discussions with Iran concerned their support of sectarian violence and providing IED's that kill American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. The subject of their WMD program was not part of the discussion.