Real World

How did John Edwards and Hillary Clinton vote?

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mr3putt

Bush et al played the winds of 9/11 retribution beautifully to cement support for his Iraqi adventure. The Congress does share in the blame by reacting in their usual "follow the polls" behavior while failing to demand details of post invasion occupation plans.

Like the Donner party we now all suffer the consequences of their aquiesence. This country was led into the Blizzard by the Neocon maps of the landscape and we continue to freeze while they deny they took a wrong turn.

The continued carnage is on the Administration's scorecard. They are criminally responsible. IMHO

PatsWSB47

Hey LeftWingPressCoverage, I know WW2 was different but not in the point I'm making about prior warnings about going in. Despite the Axis threat, the US only passed going to war by one vote. I remember some squirming from some about going to Afghanistan as well. I'm not trying to absolve Bush from failing to see the civil war possibilities, but in saying that I can't then absolve or excuse the fair weather politician hypocrites that ignored or failed to see that possibility as well. Are you?

Harry Boy

This from the Left Wing, Liberal, Democrat, Bush Hating CNN News:

The House voted 296-133 to give Bush the authority to use U.S. military force to make Iraq comply with U.N. resolutions requiring it to give up weapons of mass destruction. Across the Capitol, a companion measure cleared a procedural vote by a wide margin earlier Thursday and drew the support of the chamber's Democratic leader.

"The House of Representatives has spoken clearly to the world and to the United Nations Security Council. The gathering threat of Iraq must be confronted fully and finally," Bush said. "Today's vote also sends a clear message to the Iraqi regime: It must disarm and comply with all existing U.N. resolutions, or it will be forced to comply."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/iraq.us/

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scout

You missed my point. I've yet to read about a president who talked about the personal benefits it would do for him concerning getting into wars. It is absolutely unacceptable in asking subordinates to find an excuse to attack a country. Go through each war that the United States has been involved in and list the Presidents who have jumped at the chance to engage in war. I'm not giving anyone a free pass. What I am saying is our Commander in Chief has the mentality of a weekend warrior, an egotistical security guard with a gun. His objective from his first day of his presidency was to establish war, and THAT is why he will go down as the worst President in our history.

Real World

Since day 1 he has been looking for war? When did he take his oath of office? September 12, 2001?

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

scout

As I stated, if you believe what his autobiographer said quoting Bush concerning war, then yes, he was willing to engage in war to help himself politically. This quote came when Bush was Governor of Texas. If you believe what Secretary of Treasury, Paul O'Neil, stated that in Bush's first cabinet meeting, that he was asking for a reason to attack Iraq. These dates preceded September 12, 2001. Do you think that Bush decided to go to war against Iraq after 9/11? My guess is that this was the plan before he was elected. My contention is that no President in our history was anxious to go to war until this one took office. My conclusion is, that this put him firmly in contention as the worst President. In my book, war is more evil then any hostage situation, long gas lines, or high inflation. Specifically, an unwarranted war.

Real World

First of all, you do know that regime change in Iraq has been signed US policy since 1998. Second of all, without 9/11, there is no Iraq war. PERIOD. Of course, that's where the tinfoil hats come in. See, he said this when he was governor, that when so&so was in the meeting, and then 9/11 happens.

I think GW did what all persons running for office, or who would have taken office had he not, and that is talk tough, and discuss what was probably our #1 foreign policy issue in Jan 2001, and that was Saddam and Iraq. I can muster up 1,000 quotes from politicians who ran for the office, or who are running now, where which they say/threaten the same things, prior to 9/11.

Now, as I'll always concede, anything is possible, and all that you say could be true (afterall, Shaq was traded). However, I don't wear tinfoil.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

scout

What I don't understand, is why defenders of Bush constantly give him the benefit of the doubt? It wasn't tough talk, Bush asked for an excuse to invade Iraq. Read up on Paul O'Neil's career and ask yourself who is more truthful, him or Bush.