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Old 05-18-2007, 08:56 AM   #21
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I think this same formula works for both sides.

No question. The only true conservative I see in the entire field is Ron Paul. By conservative, of course, I mean paleo-conservative. Fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, national Defense (vs. offense), protectionism, etc etc.

The others are ALL selectively conservative.
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Old 05-18-2007, 09:02 AM   #22
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Ron Paul????

The only thing that dings him, is that all of the elitests despise him... GREATLY!!!!

So, he really doesn't have a chance, even though he should.

Don't bother voting anyways, that is why the Diebold machine is for
Ron Paul has no chance in a national election. That's not because I don't like him, or his positions, but because his kind of style, and talk, doesn't resonate with morons, nor does it work for the MSM. Fox was killing him right after the debate, as was every other outlet the day after, for his remarks. You need to be a Romney or Hillary to win these days.
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Good question. I think it'll depend on which of the three actually hides their liberalism best and tricks the base into thinking they give a damn about them.
See, you've just exposed the problem in your own statement. It's easy to say "The Bible Belt won't support Romney" until someone comes along and says "Oh really..? Then whom are they going to support them..?" When put next to McCain and Guiliani, the Bible Belt will gladly support Romney.
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No question. The only true conservative I see in the entire field is Ron Paul. By conservative, of course, I mean paleo-conservative. Fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, national Defense (vs. offense), protectionism, etc etc.

The others are ALL selectively conservative.
Yeah, but his problem is that he is an isolationist and a strict constitutionalist, and that led him away from most pragmatic conservatives, and despite contrary opinion, there is enough of us that with keep the nomination from him.

Also, he's aligned himself a little to close with the "truther" movement 9/11 apologist movement. That may give some folks in here a boner , but 75% of the Republican Party will immediate put him in the tin-foil hat column (I am among them), which is an immediate disqualifyer for him. A virtual kiss of death for him. No way he overcomes that in the republican party. Dems, that's another story

As RW points out, he is unelectable.
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What's the big deal? We already have a moron president...

oh wait! Romney's a mormon

forget it.
To paraphrase Obi-Wan, who the bigger moron..? The moron, or the morons who couldn't nominate some to beat him in an election..?
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Ding, ding, ding


Fred Thomspson is gonna enter the race, He might have a shot.
I said it months ago, that this race was starting so early, and that the field was so brutal, that a late entry could steal the show and nomimation. I thought Gore might be that guy, and had no clue who the GOP would put up, but maybe Thompson is that guy. I'd welcome ANYONE new. Afterall, could they be worse than what we've seen so far?
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Romney will be nominated and probably elected for his looks and his uncanny ability to spew a constant stream of verbal sewerage that the press and most Americans like to hear. The meaningless strings of jingoisma and cliches he puts together waft through the minds of people unable or unwilling to think critically about important issues.
So, in otherwords, he just like every single other major candidate out there. Got'cha.
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Elections are no longer about issues as much as they are about perception and flair.
Nice of you to finally be realizing what the rest of the country learned in 1960.
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it's right there for Al Gore... for him, it's like recovering a fumble in overtime at your opponent's 10-yardline... he only needs put it in the middle and kick the ball through the posts...

i don't care what the GOP trolls say about his kilowatt usage and every other pathetic obfuscation, ... he'd be a lock vs. any Pub in the hunt right now....

if he still wants to be president after being robbed in Florida, it's there for the taking in '08...

he just needs to make the announcement...
I sometimes think Gore could be that late entery type, who could do some damage. At other times I think he's such an after thought to so many, that he wouldn't have a chance. Who knows.
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I'm not so sure Harry.

Outside of PC's tired and ridiculous (but predictable) "stolen election" reference, I might agree with him on this. Particularly given the WEAK slate that currently out there.

He has a lot baggage too, but 'on the issues' he would have a fairly broad appeal compaired to other candidates currently running on that ticket. Certainly in the DNC primary fight, he'd make a good run at it. He's similar to Hillary in many ways, but much softer on foriegn policy, WOT issues that the moonbat far left is gonna kill her on.

Even in the general election, I wouldn't count him out. I certainly wouldn't support him simply due to his soft stance on immigration, the WOT (repeal of Patriot Act, etc....), foriegn policy (at least he's been in the arena though). That said, he does have fairly pragmatic views on certain issues (abortion - pro-choice, but against partial birth / Gay marraige - for unions, against full marriage) that are consistant with MANY mainstream views and it would pull center votes his way. He's also a Vietnam Veteran (that opposed the war, went, served, and didn't whine like a little ****** when he got back ) that gives him some LEGITMATE credibility when it comes to CiC issues in many peoples eyes (including mine). Sure, he was only a journalist, but at least he has heard guns fired in anger. You may discount that factor, but, compaired to the rest of the field (certainly democrats), it's a advantage.

Also, while he certainly he goes slightly overboard on the GW issues with his rhetoric, it certainly is a topic that resonates with mainstream american people somewhat, including a conservative like me. Add to that the fact that he's a MOVIE STAR, and has great name recognition to the 'drive-by' voters without a clue, he'd be a tough candidate.

Bottom line, if he runs, he has a good shot. It would be tough to unseat Hillary. Then again, her toughest challange is her own party nomination. I'm personally hoping the moonbats send her crashing and they actually are dumb enough to put up someone like Osma..... errrrrr I mean Obama. Ditto Richardson, Edwards et... all. They are all un-electable in a general IMO.

Of course, a lot depends on the Rebublican they are facing (which is a pretty weak field too), but the way I see it, the only two Dems, that have a real shot in general, would be Hillary and Gore.
I disagree, with your take on Obama, I think he's very electable nationally. More so than people presume. I'm not calling him Coupe Deval, but people said that about PAtrick when he ran for governor in allegedly racist Massachusetts. He mopped the floor with the competition. I think Obama is a far better candidate than Patrick, and could do very well.
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Romney will be nominated and probably elected for his looks and his uncanny ability to spew a constant stream of verbal sewerage that the press and most Americans like to hear. The meaningless strings of jingoisma and cliches he puts together waft through the minds of people unable or unwilling to think critically about important issues. Romney recognizes this and is capable of steering himself through this election like a cameleon covered in grease...and he's just getting started! He will be the R nominee and will have a good shot at beating anyone the Ds put up.

Elections are no longer about issues as much as they are about perception and flair. Someone like Ron Paul has no chance in such a shallow environment. He speaks too plainly and sometimes the things he points out to us are too painful to acknowledge.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
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