Pujo

Wow, this one's bizarre.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/...nsa/index.html

mr3putt

The high tide of scum.....

The facisti eating their own.

Bush is a nightmare.....

All_Around_Brown

Dont expect many board righties to respond to this. This would require a thoughtful and objective analysis of what this testimony says about their unconstitutional agenda.

The modern conservative movement is being exposed as a group far worse for traditional american values than any previous movement and that includes the hippies and the "socialists". The cons have virtually destroyed the greatest experiment in democracy this world has ever witnessed.

Well done Bush shills, you ignorant dolts.

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PressCoverage

yeah, i saw this earlier today... this could actually turn out to be quite damaging for Gonzo and the WH... righties have been squawking like crows for weeks about "what has he done illegal?"... well, this may be it, if they consider nothing else...

Gonzo also tried to downplay the sudden resignations today of his No. 2 man, and some other top aide...

PressCoverage

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051507R.shtml

Comey testified that he believed President Bush had phoned Ashcroft's hospital room directly, and he was sure that the call "came from the White House." Mrs. Ashcroft was not allowing any calls to be taken by her ill husband. She then called Ashcroft's chief of staff to inform him that the White House was sending Gonzales and Card to the hospital to meet with the debilitated attorney general face to face.

At Ashcroft's bedside, Gonzales did most of the talking, Comey said, adding that Gonzales and Card pressed the attorney general to reauthorize the program in spite of reservations about its legality. Comey said Ashcroft reiterated his concerns and refused to sign the order reauthorizing the program.

Ashcroft "lifted his head off the pillow, and in very strong terms expressed his view of the matter, rich in both substance and fact, which stunned me - drawn from the hour-long meeting we'd had a week earlier - and in very strong terms expressed himself, and then laid his head back down on the pillow, seemed spent, and said to them, 'I'm not the attorney general,'" Comey said, adding that Gonzales and Card left the hospital that evening without a signature from the Justice Department allowing the surveillance program to continue.

"I was very upset. I was angry," Comey testified. "I thought I just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man, who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me.... I was concerned that this was an effort to do an end run around the acting attorney general and to get a very sick man to approve something that the Department of Justice had already concluded - the department as a whole - was unable to be certified as to its legality. And that was my concern."

The next day, March 10, 2004 the White House sidestepped the judicial process and signed off on the program anyway, and continued to monitor American citizens' communications in what appeared to be a violation of the law.

"The program was reauthorized without us and without a signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality," Comey said.

All_Around_Brown

David Iglesias was asked point blank whether there was anything illegal about what Gonzo did. His answer "possibly....obstruction of justice". He went on to say that the evidence is building for a case against him.

How ironic.

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Pujo

Ahh, the righties have such a good chance to say "while we support most of what the administration does, this is wrong, and I'm not afraid to call them out when they do something wrong."

But instead we have silence. I think people sometimes tie their fate into someone else's and forget what they're actually about. Some conservatives have invested so much into defending the administration at any cost, they're afraid it'll expose them if the administration becomes exposed. Like "I can't admit I was so stupid as to support them." Instead they do dumber and dumber things like continue to defend them no matter how indefensible they are.

patsfan13

It sounds as though the intent was to 'REAUTHORIZE' a program that was already in existence. What was the original program? How was it authorized? Why was the AG in a position to reauthorize it? Why would it be illegal for the AG to reauthorize it? How did the program operate?

None of these questions are addressed in the article excerpts. So it is hard to comment on this.

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All_Around_Brown

They were for conservative principles before they were against them.

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Pujo

Maybe you can't comment on those questions you raised, but the article gives a lot of information that is deserving of comment.