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WASHINGTON — Two retired Army major generals with experience in Iraq will appear in television commercials critical of President George W. Bush’s handling of the war. The ads, to begin airing Wednesday, take aim at key Republicans in the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Financed by VoteVets.org, the $500,000 in ads will feature retired Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eaton, both of whom have criticized civilian leaders of the U.S. Defense Department in the past. Batiste commanded the 1st U.S. Infantry Division in Iraq, and Eaton oversaw training of the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004.
The commercials are timed to coincide with congressional debate over the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
The media markets chosen by VoteVets are designed to pressure Republican Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, John Sununu of New Hampshire, John Warner of Virginia and Norm Coleman of Minnesota, all of whom are up for re-election next year. The ads also will run in the congressional districts of Republican Reps. Mary Bono of California, Phil English of Pennsylvania, Randy Kuhl and James Walsh of New York, Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri, Tim Johnson of Illinois, Fred Upton of Michigan and Michael Castle of Delaware.
The ads represent the first time former military commanders in Iraq have appeared in commercials to criticize the conduct of the war, now in its fifth year.
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let's apply the lame excuse used in the "Repubs berate Bush" thread to the generals here...
clearly, these generals are "misreading the political landscape. The wheel of fortune is turning back in the Republicans favor. The casually uninformed are quickly becoming disenchanted with the shrill rhetoric and impotent gestures coming from the Dems." ....
on a side note, how many generals did Adolf sack some 60+ years ago?
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A couple of military guys in Iraq have found a way to speak up for completing the mission there without getting into any trouble. Navy Lt. Jason Nichols and Staff Sgt. David Thul from the Minnesota Army National Guard have rolled out an Internet petition to finish the job. Nichols tells us that his colleagues "think the war is worth fighting but there wasn't a way for us to express that fact." Then they discovered that they could file a grievance with Congress, which in this case asks them to back the war. With appealforcourage.org, they've collected nearly 3,000 signatures and will deliver them to Congress this week. "I ... think we're winning the fight in Iraq on the ground," says Nichols, but frets over losing the political battle in Washington. "It's the responsibility of the military to prevent that."
The grunts on the fround feel differently than these 2 Generals, and what about the hundreds of other Generals who have served in Iraq?
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The grunts on the fround feel differently than these 2 Generals, and what about the hundreds of other Generals who have served in Iraq?
Geee. dont know where you been, but Eaton and Batiste arent just ordinary grunts or generals for that matter....
ahem, didnt you say you were an AF guy way back when?? You DO know what guys like Eaton and Batiste were doing in Iraq right? You want we shall discuss Casey too? Or how about the Rumsfeld Budget Revolt of 2006?
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Geee. dont know where you been, but Eaton and Batiste arent just ordinary grunts or generals for that matter....
ahem, didnt you say you were an AF guy way back when?? You DO know what guys like Eaton and Batiste were doing in Iraq right? You want we shall discuss Casey too? Or how about the Rumsfeld Budget Revolt of 2006?
There are/were many Generals involved in Iraq, I am quite sure they are were disagreements among them. Check out WW2 for example.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Useless windbags. Who sticks around long enough in the military to make General? Guys who like having their knobs polished in public and their boots in private. They should (Please be quiet - edited) and fade away, like one old soldier said old soldiers are supposed to.
All over the sites this AM, Batiste was fired from ABC for his comments so much for people speaking their minds.. interesting this article was taken from Army Times.
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He's a Patriot for sure, and he disagrees with policy, but his beef ain't what you think. Some people might be confused that he's a "get out now" guy. He's not. If you look deeper, you'll find he is an advocate for more a aggressive tactics and posture, not drawing down an conceding defeat.
JIM LEHRER: If the leadership of the U.S. government had listened to you and your fellow military leaders, what would be the situation in Iraq today?
MAJ. GEN. JOHN BATISTE: Well, first off, I think we have got to complete the mission in Iraq. We have no option; we need to be successful; we need to set the Iraqi people up for self-reliance.
With their form of representative government that takes into account tribal, religious and ethnic complexity that defines that country is nothing new. The Brits had a hell of a time with that in the '10s and '20s of the last century, nothing new at all. And we got to set them up for self-reliance so they can go on it on their own.
I think we're going to be successful. There's nothing this country can't do, if we put our mind to it, but we need to do it right. We need to mobilize this country.
John Batiste, a retired Army major general who also joined in the call for Mr. Rumsfeld’s resignation, described the Congressional proposals for troop withdrawals as “terribly naïve.”
“There are lots of things that have to happen to set them up for success,” General Batiste, who commanded a division in Iraq, said in an interview, describing the Iraqi government. “Until they happen, it does not matter what we tell Maliki.”
Before considering troop reductions, General Batiste said, the United States needs to take an array of steps, including fresh efforts to alleviate unemployment in Iraq, secure its long and porous borders, enlist more cooperation from tribal sheiks, step up the effort to train Iraq’s security forces, engage Iraq’s neighbors and weaken, or if necessary, crush the militias.
Indeed, General Batiste has recently written that pending the training of an effective Iraqi force, it may be necessary to deploy tens of thousands of additional “coalition troops.” General Batiste said he hoped that Arab and other foreign nations could be encouraged to send troops.
Hmmmm, November. Wasn't that before the surge? These tactics sound very "surge-like" to me. Can't be though, cause Bush didn't listen to his commanders on the ground (which was true early on, but why is the real question)
................ and Finally, just a few weeks ago
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A former commander of the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq said this week it might be time for the United States to discuss bringing back the military draft.
On Monday, retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste told News 10NBC in Rochester, N.Y., that in order to “win the peace” in Iraq, current troop levels there would need to be nearly doubled to 300,000, adding that to make numbers like that possible, a military draft might need to be considered. The draft was last used in the U.S. in 1973.
“We’ve had generations of Americans now who have not served their country, they don’t know what the word means,” Batiste told News 10NBC. “And I’m here to tell you that’s probably not a healthy situation.”
Like I said, the guy is a patriot, but he is not the most consistent patriot out there and most of his prior statements are ANYTHING but, we must withdraw now, as the tone of the advertisement implies.
Why is that do you think?
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He's a Patriot for sure, and he disagrees with policy, but his beef ain't what you think. Some people might be confused that he's a "get out now" guy. He's not. If you look deeper, you'll find he is an advocate for more a aggressive tactics and posture, not drawing down an conceding defeat.
Hmmmm, November. Wasn't that before the surge? These tactics sound very "surge-like" to me. Can't be though, cause Bush didn't listen to his commanders on the ground (which was true early on, but why is the real question)
................ and Finally, just a few weeks ago
Like I said, the guy is a patriot, but he is not the most consistent patriot out there and most of his prior statements are ANYTHING but, we must withdraw now, as the tone of the advertisement implies.
Why is that do you think?
Covering his butt for not speaking up sooner about Rummie's tactics?
All of these ex military revisionists have tried , like Tenet, to mask their guilt in a fog of spin. They should have insisted on adaquate forces early on if they truly believed ill served by administration tactics. Many have died for this failure and the rats are leaving the ship before full accountability is doled out.
Retired generals on TV to criticize Iraq war
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