Real World

I was there once too Harry. Hot, hot, hot down there.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Patriot_in_NY

In all fairness, so is the Democratic Party.

The nutroots got you by the stones and they are pulling everyone far to the left.

You are right, it'll be interesting as HELL to see how BOTH dynamics play out.

Patters

I think the Democratic Party is starting to lift out of its identity crisis. It certainly has had one for a number of years as its tried to rewrite Democratic values in the wake of Reagan's successful appeal to the middle class. It looks like the new Democratic Party is fairly united on such issues as health care, taxes, social security, civil rights, the war in Iraq, global warming, etc. It's too centrist for me, and I think the problem with centrism is that is does not ignite a fire under the electorate. It remains to be seen if the Democrats will introduce anything bold, but in the way of the Republican experiment with neocon ideas, I suspect both parties are going to be pretty cautious.

Real World

Poll: Congress' Approval Same As Bush

Friday May 11, 2007 11:16 AM


By ALAN FRAM

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - People think the Democratic-led Congress is doing just as dreary a job as President Bush, following four months of bitter political standoffs that have seen little progress on Iraq and a host of domestic issues.

An AP-Ipsos poll also found that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a more popular figure than the president and her colleagues on Capitol Hill, though she faces a gender gap in which significantly more women than men support her.

The survey found only 35 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job, down 5 percentage points in a month. That gives lawmakers the same bleak approval rating as Bush, who has been mired at about that level since last fall, including his dip to a record low for the AP-Ipsos poll of 32 percent last January.

``It's mostly Iraq'' plus a lack of progress in other areas, said Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., who heads the House GOP's campaign committee. ``These are not good numbers for an incumbent, and it doesn't matter if you have an R or a D next to your name.''

Democrats agree the problem is largely Iraq, which has dominated this year's session of Congress while producing little more than this month's Bush veto of a bill requiring the withdrawal of U.S. troops. It has also overshadowed House-passed bills on stem cell research, student loans and other subjects that the White House opposes, they say.

``People are unhappy, there hasn't been a lot of change in direction, for example in Iraq,'' said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., chairman of House Democrats' campaign effort.

The telephone survey of 1,000 adults was taken Monday through Wednesday and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...625294,00.html

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

mr3putt

I'm surprised Cheney has not yet labeled them as traitors.
This administration values loyalty above all.

Rove is probably busy with Gonzo trying to find a Constitutional reason to fire them.

I hear Tony Blair needs a new job.

mr3putt

I am back RW.

Attended a Military trade show in Hampton Roads previewing the latest in high tech battlefield modeling and simulation. Great toys!!!!!!

If technology was the sole determainent in winning a war we'd beatum all hands down.

Real World

An Arms show? Wow, what is it that you do, and please tell us what it is that you saw. I'm a military channel adict (that and discovery, neogeo, HC, etc.), and they show some of the newest, and soon to be technologies sometimes. Some really far out stuff. My buddy in Taji was telling me how our artillery computer systems detect incoming mortar fire, and calculate from it's tragectory where it was fired from, and counter fires before the incoming mortars have even hit the ground. Crazy stuff.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

mr3putt

Show featured Command and Control systems for Tactical battlefield deployments. Electronic warfare systems. Flight simulators for helecopters and fixed wing aircraft. Tank training sims...Doomlike sims for urban warfare training. Riot sims and non lethal weapon recreations...all in HD and displayed on huge screens. Can't tell you more details because most of this stuff is classified...but...we can do some amazing things.

Patriot_in_NY

I'm not sure it lifting out of anything just yet. The democratic party may be more united, but it’s too left. You're right that people like you "ignite" more fire within your party and that's what you see right now. The nutroots wing of your party is the most active and is the driving momentum at this point. Wonderful….. but the problem is, as the more centrist among you understand, the general VOTING population is generally centrist in ideology (perhaps with a slight lean to the right) , and anyone too far left (or right) will not be able electable. You must be able to broad appeal to pick up votes in the middle.

Kerry, couldn't even come close to Bush in the last election, despite a far left push and a fairly weak opponent (and it wasn’t close). Sure the nuts among you will claim some rovian plot or voter conspiracy, but the truth is the center took a look at both and made a defensive vote towards Bush. Believe me, much of the "so called" right ain't exactly thrilled with what's going on, but considering what we viewed as the alternative. We'll take it. I do not regret that vote for a second, considering Kerry

Again, if your party wants to win, you'll have to throw someone up that is somewhat attractive to the average centrist voter. Not within your party, within the overall population. The struggles you guys face going into the next election are just as significant as ours.

mr3putt

I would agree that a movement toward more "centrist" postions by both parties would be prudent. The extreme polarization of the voting public perpetuated by Karl Rove has only served to styme any real progress toward effective legislation. The Democrats would be better served by avoiding confrontation with the administration on any issues other than Iraq prior to the election.

Pelosi is a schrill shreeking fraud and should shut her yap. IMHO