PressCoverage

well, i learned it from guys like you and Harry and Quifgon and Turd pretty much the day i joined here.... when in Rome...

Real World

You were in Rome when you joined here? Awesome. It's an incredible city. I'll be in Rome in August, I can't wait.

BTW, where's Turd been? Turd and putt?

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Holy Diver

The craziest thing about this is that the details of this meeting were leaked to the press by the Republicans at the meeting.

Attempting to distance themselfs from this war and this president. The GOP has sucessfully become fractured here. Bush is virtually alone here, being hung out to dry by his own party.


can things get any worse for him?

PonyExpress

Here are Nancy "The Mask" Pelosi and "Elmer Fudd" Reid looking their finest. Anybody else see the resemblance? LOL

PressCoverage

oh how i love this... let me count the ways... Pig Boy and Lott... madder than Bert...

Rove berates GOP lawmaker over Iraq meeting.

“Top Bush administration officials lashed out at a pair of House Republicans at the White House yesterday after details about a contentious meeting between President Bush and GOP legislators were leaked to the media earlier this week.”

Sources said that Dan Meyer, Bush’s liaison to the House, confronted LaHood while White House political strategist Karl Rove rebuked Kirk. It is unclear if LaHood or Kirk were the original sources for the stories, but LaHood was quoted in one of the articles.

Regardless, LaHood and Meyer got into a shouting match as emotions ran high and voices were raised yesterday morning in the White House while lawmakers were waiting to meet with first lady Laura Bush, according to two legislators who witnessed the exchange. LaHood and five other GOP lawmakers met with Mrs. Bush in the Yellow Oval in the White House residence to chat about the No Child Left Behind law.

“The White House is not happy,” said a Republican lawmaker. […]

Several lawmakers who attended one or both meetings did not fault Bush, but blamed his aides for overreacting.

“They can have such thick skin,” said Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), who attended the meeting on Tuesday. “[President Bush] ought to embrace this and be seen as getting input from everyone.”

Lott: Republicans Should Have ‘Kept Their Mouths Shut’ About Bush Meeting »

Desperate to cover-up the increasing conservative divisions over Iraq, Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-MS) today blasted the Republicans who spoke to the media about their meeting on Tuesday with President Bush.

During a CNN appearance today, Lott said that he was “concerned” that the Republicans “had this frank discussion with the president, which could have been very positive, and then they came out and started talking about it.”

“[T]hey broke one of the cardinal rules, in my opinion,” Lott said. “If they’d have kept their mouths shut, their value of speaking candidly would have been worth a lot more.” Watch it:

patsfan13

From what I saw the dongressmen involved could not be fairly described as 'conservative', some spin by the paper.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

PressCoverage

gonna need a little more on that than just you saying it is so... after all, you've proven to be the spin master here... regardless, who's calling the Bush League very "conservative" anyway?

Harry Boy

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patsfan13

Hold your nose and go to a conservative site and you will see the parties involved described as RINO's - Republican in Name Only. As to whether you 'believe' me or not....who cares. I was making a point about the media's biases not trying to convince you of anything. I was speaking to others on this forum.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Patters

The Republican Party is undergoing an identity crisis.

The religious and corporate conservatives were never completely comfortable with each other, and the neocons, some of whom has socialist roots, were also an awkward fit in the party. Then, of course, you still have a number of Republican moderates and there are even a few liberals still around, and they are now being assertive.

The Republican Party is undergoing some sort of transformation and is trying to do so without losing some its key constituences. The anti-war Republicans appeal to the traditional isolationist Repubs, anti-tax and deficit Repubs, as well as I would think to some of the religious conservatives. They don't appeal to the neocons, the Republican machine apparatus (run by Bush and Rove), and the corporate Republicans, which find the war quite profitable.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm sure they'll have straightened out before the 2008 elections. The question is which of their constitutencies will the alienate enough that those groups will give the Democrats another look. Of the Democrats, Hillary is probably best positioned to pick up some of those Republicans.