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Old 05-09-2007, 08:30 AM   #1
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We're all aware of Jimmy Carter's humanitarian contributions since leaving the presidency. Clinton, too, is doing quite a bit, and for several years has been extremely active in fighting worldwide AIDS:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20070508/...ealsonhivdrugs

What about the other presidents? Bush I did unite with Clinton to raise money for Katrina, but I don't think he's nearly the humanitarian of Clinton or Carter. Reagan, to my knowledge, did nothing, but he was suffering from Alzheimer's even while he was President. What do you think Bush II will do? Do you expect him to be a humanitarian?
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Old 05-09-2007, 08:42 AM   #2
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Oh give me a break...
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We're all aware of Jimmy Carter's humanitarian contributions since leaving the presidency. Clinton, too, is doing quite a bit, and for several years has been extremely active in fighting worldwide AIDS:
I'm more aware of how bad he *****ed everything up when he was in office. Jimmy Carter was perhaps the worst president WE'VE EVER had {yeah, I said EVER}.

Much of the our problems right now can be traced back to him. I don't care many houses he builds or what humanitarian crap he does, He'll NEVER get a pass from me for all the crap he did.

Carter is the most undignified, shameful ex-president we've ever had too.

As to the original question. No, probably not, most Republicans that leave office, understand that there time is past and they pass the torch of leadership on to others. Their job is to be a dignified elder statesmen, and that's what you get. None of this narcisistic do-gooder crap.

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There already is a cure (for many diseases)... but they will NEVER let the regular's in on it.

Ever heard of population control????

This bird flu thing is in the same vein...

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I'm more aware of how bad he *****ed everything up when he was in office. Jimmy Carter was perhaps the worst president WE'VE EVER had {yeah, I said EVER}.
Carter did a number of good things, including facilitating the Camp David accords with established an American approach to MidEast affairs that served as a model right up through Clinton. He also made human rights a fundamental part of American foreign policy. He did a bad job on the economy, but while he's ranked low, he's certainly not considered the worst president by either historians or the general public. Even conservatives rank 9 other presidents lower than him, but they're probably a little less emotional and defensive than you:

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Much of the our problems right now can be traced back to him. I don't care many houses he builds or what humanitarian crap he does, He'll NEVER get a pass from me for all the crap he did.
Ah, yes, the art of blaming others. Conservatives should learn to take some personal responsibility for the failure of their leaders, rather than always trying to blame people in the past. History is a continuous thing, so blame gets passed back and back and back, but it's only the current leader who has the opportunity to set things right, and that's where responsibility should lie.

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No, probably not, most Republicans that leave office, understand that there time is past and they pass the torch of leadership on to others. Their job is to be a dignified elder statesmen, and that's what you get. None of this narcisistic do-gooder crap.
Ah, a fine defense of selfishness. Yeah, let's criticize those who leave office and continue to help people. Let's admire Reagan for leaving office and quickly flying to Japan for a $2 million speaking fee or Ford for all his dignified work in the area of Golf or Bush I for his dignified parachute jumps. You're response is a perfect example of the way some Republicans try to defect responsibility for their moral failures, but do you really think you're fooling anyone besides yourself?
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We're all aware of Jimmy Carter's humanitarian contributions since leaving the presidency. Clinton, too, is doing quite a bit, and for several years has been extremely active in fighting worldwide AIDS:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20070508/...ealsonhivdrugs

What about the other presidents? Bush I did unite with Clinton to raise money for Katrina, but I don't think he's nearly the humanitarian of Clinton or Carter. Reagan, to my knowledge, did nothing, but he was suffering from Alzheimer's even while he was President. What do you think Bush II will do? Do you expect him to be a humanitarian?
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You're response is a perfect example of the way some Republicans try to defect responsibility for their moral failures, but do you really think you're fooling anyone besides yourself?
Your whole post is typical ARROGANT, self-righteous elitist drivel

You're right, you're such a better human being that the rest of us. All the world's failure lie at the feet of the Republicans. You guys have all the answers. I'd love to actually debate you on this stuff, but YOU WON"T LISTEN, because you know already everything, and all your interested in is spewing crap about personal responsibility and lecturing other about OUR moral failures.

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Every president we have ever had has done some little thing we can point at and say it was good, Jimmy Carter was the worse President this country has ever had or probably ever will have, America can be thankful he isn't the president right now with the enemy we face today and we can be thankful he wasn't president when those planes slammed into the WTC on 9/11.

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I'm more aware of how bad he *****ed everything up when he was in office. Jimmy Carter was perhaps the worst president WE'VE EVER had {yeah, I said EVER}.

Much of the our problems right now can be traced back to him. I don't care many houses he builds or what humanitarian crap he does, He'll NEVER get a pass frYeom me for all the crap he did.

Carter is the most undignified, shameful ex-president we've ever had too.

As to the original question. No, probably not, most Republicans that leave office, understand that there time is past and they pass the torch of leadership on to others. Their job is to be a dignified elder statesmen, and that's what you get. None of this narcisistic do-gooder crap.
Carter has promoted Democracy throughout the world. The Carter Center was built to promote human rights and stop any unnecessary human suffering. Now, if you oppose that, I guess you must oppose the war in Iraq. He hasn't always been successful, but has achieved some great results. Undignified? You are really confused, that would be the present state of disarray.
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Your whole post is typical ARROGANT, self-righteous elitist drivel

You're right, you're such a better human being that the rest of us. All the world's failure lie at the feet of the Republicans. You guys have all the answers. I'd love to actually debate you on this stuff, but YOU WON"T LISTEN, because you know already everything, and all your interested in is spewing crap about personal responsibility and lecturing other about OUR moral failures.
I have a great deal of respect for Clinton and Carter's post presidency work. I find it hard to fault, and found your attack on their efforts as "narcissistic do gooder crap" arrogant and dishonest.

I think that many conservatives have a philosophical belief that we're all in it for ourselves. That said, I don't think liberals have a corner on good deeds. Religious conservatives are often involved in such work, perhaps more so than liberals. But, the group I have an issue with is the corporate conservatives, who are often not religious, and tend to be quite selfish. I certainly put the Bush's in that camp.
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